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For the first time I can see our local rates in the SW climbing, I heard of a small outbreak amongst a work force yesterday. We haven't seen this before and my own opinion is that it's getting out of control and we need to go the way of France etc and put the breaks on swiftly.
Bristol is now at 705 plus per day (more than some on the highest levels) nothing happening there and this will spread if nothing is done.
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So what caused the jump, what happened in September? Schools and colleges went back but they did all over the country.
Most towns and cities with colleges and unis had a swift increase in cases. If most of the students go home at Xmas I think there will be a significant spike countrywide in mid to late January.
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and it is not just the UK, look at the riots in France, Italy, Germany , Spain, everybody is fed uip with Covid but nobody has come up with a policy that is enforceable that will rid us of this virus, well with the exception of China if we are to believe their propoganda.
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Can we not just keep to the Covid problems on this thread? Otherwise....
Talking of which will we have the same problems as seen in Paris last night? Thousands leaving the city and departing for the rest of the country before the deadline. If a lockdown occurs in London beware in the South West, East Anglia and Cotswolds.
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We have a UNI in our borough before they and schools went back we had 12 positives in the seven day results we are now this morning at 142 in seven day results
and most it seems are in the Hatfield area and where the Uni and student accommodation is
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Just my opinion but I think a lot of the spread is down to pubs and restaurants, especially now that consumption of food and drink has moved indoors. We know that predominantly that COVID is spread by virus particles in the air. Wearing a face covering goes some way to mitigating the risk. However without a mask and being in a place where people are talking loudly and inhibitions become more relaxed it is an open goal for people to catch the virus. Many will catch the virus and be totally unaware they have it but are capable of passing it on to others in the workplace or at home. It might well be too late now but pubs and restaurants should have been closed a month ago and I suspect we would not be in the position we are now.
David
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I agree David but in the central region of Scotland they imposed strict rules there, closed pubs and early closing of restaurants yet North and South Lanarkshire saw spikes.
It would appear it is now starting to stabilise. There has been no eating in restaurants after 6pm in the rest of Scotland and no drinking indoors in pubs.
The new restrictions (tiers) come in on 2nd November. Still no indoor visits to your household. We have had that for weeks now, I think it was the right decision, just wish some folk would stick to it.
The majority do I know but its so frustrating when you see one of your neighbours constantly allowing all and sundry into their house where 2 vulnerable children live.
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very much doubt it, weather is not good , lots of campsites are closed or are closing, maybe those with second homes may make a run for it, but the word on the street is that places of education will remain open, which probably means most uni's will close
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Personally I feel eating establishments have made huge efforts to prevent infections but places like supermarkets have slackened their initial efforts, especially on numbers and social distancing. So I'd be inclined to think more of the general public are likely to be shopping rather than eating at any particular time and more likely to spread the virus?
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Brue
I think it's the nature of pubs and restaurants that are probably leading to the spread of the virus. Dr Chris Williams, of Public Health Wales is worth a read. It would be foolish of me to suggest that the virus does not spread in supermarkets or other places where there are lots of people. However the major difference is that in all environments it is only pubs and restaurants where masks are not worn and people (even at the next table) are in close proximity to you for long periods so to me that suggests a greater risk.
David
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but places like supermarkets have slackened their initial efforts,
I can agree with that Brue. At the beginning of the last lockdown the numbers allowed in supermarkets were limited, they had one way systems and most people were respectful of the 2 metre distancing rule. Here in Wales mask wearing wasn't at that time compulsory in shops but advisory. Once the supermarkets reverted to normal and masks became compulsory social distancing went out of the window.
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but places like supermarkets have slackened their initial efforts
Agreed. The only supermarket near us that seems to keep up a reasonable level of care is Aldi. Surprisingly Lidl is at the other end of the scale. Of course the cooled air being circulated by the AC does not help in any enclosed space.
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DK, I would go for both for different reasons.
Pubs and restaurants where masks are on and off, alcohol, even in moderation, a factor for some in lowering the guard. Average stay, 60-90 minutes. Face to face seating. Shared loos..... On the plus side, you have to give your details, so if you do get something, the scientists (but not the individual) will have a good idea where you caught it if unlucky.
Supermarkets, full of the variety of humankind, some caring, some not, some incapable of wearing a mask properly, some too important to wait to access what they want, queuing at tills, hundreds of items touched by many, too many in narrow, tall aisles, shorter time in there though hopefully. (A lot can be made less risky by choosing time of visit, choice of store...) Much safer option of delivery still available of course if you choose to lower the risk drastically.
People choose their risk levels if the choice is made available.
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On the plus side, you have to give your details, so if you do get something, the scientists (but not the individual) will have a good idea where you caught it if unlucky
never been in a pub etc since all this started way back in March, but my brother in law who likes a drink tells me that he has seen lots of spurious names in these so called books of rememberance, e.g. Donald Trump, mickey mouse etc etc etc
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Once the supermarkets reverted to normal and masks became compulsory
Unfortunately masks are not compulsory as anyone can claim they have a "genuine reason" for not wearing them. Whenever I go in a supermarket, B&Q etc you can guarantee that one or two will not be wearing masks. The Government needs to make it the responsibility of the shop owners to police it and fine them heavily if they don't.
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It seems to very much depend on your local area in Wales WN. I live a mile or two from Queensferry in Flintshire. Initially there were some queues outside local Asda, Morrison and occasionally lidl. These depended very much on time and day. On my normal shopping days I encountered virtually no delay. People respectful at present also. Eldest daughter in Rhyl area who is particularly vulnerable due to heart problems (as is her boyfriend) avoids the town centre and wears her mask on the streets if she has to venture there, has changed her shopping venues due to the actions of clientelle. It is very much 'after you, no after you'. In our local Lidl and no problem in the Asda.
When I shopped last week I was later than normal as, with the recent weather, I couldn't be faffed with my normal 9am shop and it was 10am. I shop Asda on a Monday and I had to wait for somebody offloading onto conveyor belt and then my turn to offload when they had reached payment end. Only one checkout open. The same at Ada on the Wednesday.
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Hi David,
Not seen what Dr Williams has said, but there will be a new expert along anytime soon to contradict whatever it was!
Like it or not, and there will be may who develop 20/20 hindsight, our government ran a campaign to encourage people to "Eat Out To Help Out".
Now I am constantly told that they are "led by the science" so its likely Doctors, Professors etc gave the advice leading to the EOTHO scheme and, presuming that to be the case, I can see problems with anything put forward now being accepted to the extent it was back in March.
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Very rarely see somebody with a 'Can't wear a mask', badge who is not masked up. Saw one on Mondays shop. He was on a stick, looked very feeble, was with his wife who was wearing a mask. He did have a visor shield though.
There is a marked lack of tolerance in some areas. My youngest has arthritis in the spine, and associated problems. Cannot always keep a mask on for long but s very worried about other peoples reactions if she has to remove it (as told to do by her consultant if she starts having breathing problems).
A couple of weeks ago she went to pick her two lads (7 and 8) from school. She is being treated for pneumonia at present. The youngest lad is autistic and was brought outside by a staff member to my daughter who was waiting across the road from the main crowd of parents. One or two started shouting at her for not wearing a mask which resulted in the youngest having a melt-down and becoming hard to handle on the way home after his brother had been let out.
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Liverpool appears to have been doing ok. Meantime down south cases are rising.
peedee
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I'm just hoping that C&MC can get this site running well soon, 'cos I reckon there will be a lot of disgruntled 'vanners on here thro' the dark times !
