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  • huskydog
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    edited October 2020 #992

    Other supermarkets are available cool

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #993

    With a Post office?in a rural areas  when banks are withdrawing their fascilities in the chase for profitsundecided

  • huskydog
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    edited October 2020 #994

    If your talking about that Rashford chap ,whilst it might be a good cause ,is it morally right to be earning £200,000 a week ?, that would pay for a lot of dinners !

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited October 2020 #995

    I think if you go to the ONS website you will find the information you want there. My understanding is that only people that have died within 28 days of a positive diagnosis for COVID are included. The fact that many that die do so because they have comorbidities is just how this awful virus works. Earlier in the year if you were to ignore deaths because of COVID the number of normal deaths were lower than the year before so you could read into that some with COVID would have died anyway during that time frame? 

    What I find even stranger is the UK is almost the only country not to publish figures for people who have recovered from COVID.

  • Pliers
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    edited October 2020 #998

    And he’s 22 years old. A good example to all young people, indeed. And a pretty good footballer, too. 🙂

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #999

    He’s one of the few who’s moral compass isn’t skewed. He is certainly not doing it for personal glory or money. A shining beacon of empathy👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • huskydog
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    edited October 2020 #1000

    So now we’ve gone from supermarkets to footballers!  Well CT is certainly diverse cool

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2020 #1001

    Risk factor for visiting supermarkets can be, to a degree, managed by choosing the time that you visit. For instance, Friday teatime is heaving but mid afternoon on Saturday is relatively quiet, particularly id some high profile football match is on TV.

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #1003

    I suspect that most forum have made the best use for themselves, whatever it may be.

    Many will have suffered far more social deprivation.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2020 #1004

    Thanks for the reply, I do have some mountain bike cycling shoes that I got from JD sports of all places and they have the clip in 'things' underneath but I use them as flats, I just like the stiffer sole. I'm a little scared about clipless, I see myself wobbling at traffic lights not being able to unclip even though everyone says it is easy? I've seen some Mavic winter shoes, Crossmax thermal, but I think they do look a little too OTT for me. I think the two socks approach might work or some waterproof socks?

    Thanks for the other advice, I actually bought some winter gloves from Aldi for just over £5 but the next ride I thought it wasn't cold enough so took my summer ones? Well after the 30 minutes ride into Newcastle it felt as if my fingers were going to fall off. I stopped at the Cycle Hub on the quayside for my usual cup and toast and they had some Oxford winter waterproof gloves but for £30! I would have paid far more than that point but wow they are good. I was worried that I'd leave a finger or two in the old ones when taking them off. But the Aldi one are very good too!  

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  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2020 #1006

    Seems we can debate the width of Co op aisles for ever but no one wants to debate the effect of tourism on the NHS in rural areas as I said on page 96..

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #1007

    Our local supermarkets did have queues back in April but did not really effect me; largely because of the days that I chose to shop. My queueing has been very limited and never on my standard shopping days. and I have never been more than third in a queue. 

    The only time that I really queued was after Wales stopped garden waste collections and closed the recycling sites which never made sense to me. A week after they finally reopened I had at least 8 runs to the tip initially with plenty more to follow. Back seats of the Yaris folded down and covered and car filled from back of front seats to the roof and pressing against rear door. I chose mid day in the week and would take lunchtime sandwich and a Coke to make use of a 20 minute wait whilst I had lunch and listened to the radio. It made no sense at all. when things normalised and people had rid themselves of stored rubbish there tended to be 4 or 5 at the tips when I went. During the reopening there were never less than 12. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2020 #1008

    well not simple to me and a few others, but as AD appears reluctant to answer for himself we'll never know. 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #1009

    Sealskinz are good waterproof socks, but the plastic bag idea does work!😂 OH has clips on all but his mountain bike, he likes the the ability to pull the pedal up, as well as push down, but that’s mainly road bike technique. I forget to unclip and fall off sideways........😬 so I only use flats.

     

     

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #1010

    The new section of Southport is, in my view, an abysmal wilderness, devoid of planting. It is OK I suppose if you wish to watch gulls swimming on flooded areas. The location suits us though in December and we use the older part.

    I saw my youngest grandson a week ago (eldest was in school). I took him and my daughter to the hospital for an hour long appointment. My grandson is 7 years old and does not do well in a taxi or on buses due to his autism. First time I had seen him or my daughter in 7 months. I did not enter their home but I did give grandson a cuddle before he went into the hospital  and before he went into his home. As he comes to my midriff we were very unlikely to infect each other. I know that he is worried about infecting his mum as she has bad asthma and has recently had treatment for pneumonia. She also has arthritis. My older daughter is also vulnerable due to heart condition. Her boyfriend often lives with her (also vulnerable) but his work means that he is unlikely to be affected. At present he generally works on is own in a small brewery and sees his boss from time to time. Is both is generally shielding due to a vulnerable young daughter.

    I have seen my eldest a couple of times as she and her boyfriend have sat outside under the cover over on our patio where distancing is not a problem. easy to sit 3m apart.

  • allanandjean
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    edited October 2020 #1011

    Hi, I have not read through all the posts since yours so others may have commented however, it seems that you want to stop all touring as it may affect 'everyone'.

    Its clear that there are wide differences in peoples views towards what is, or is not to be done, but you appear to make a lot of assumptions in regards to 'they' when in fact it could be you that is the problem-Covid wise.

    As you say its an NHS, and not a local service, so available to all and with no beds 'earmarked' on any basis other than medical need.

    As its nearing the half term period it seems predictable that many will be travelling and if this is the problem you perceive it to be, and I am not saying that it is not, then why were they allowed to?

    I live in a very small coastal village which sees a large increase in numbers, due to the amount of holiday properties, in any school holiday period.

    There presence has no affect on me however it does on the livelihoods of many locals who might feel that, for us in England, if they are doing nothing illegal why should people not visit?

    I am sure the majority of people, in whatever Tier will believe they are behaving responsibly but fear that it will likely not correspond with what you seem to be wanting

     

  • Wherenext
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    edited October 2020 #1012

    Well I did bring up a question about the South West some time ago which was debated by a few who live that way.

    If you recall once the National Lockdown in the UK was lifted people flocked to Devon and Cornwall in particular and many local people feared that their limited NHS resources would be stretched beyond their capabilities. Many locals also seemed to alter their strategy and avoided  going out just as much as they did in lockdown if not more.

    Yet the facts and figures for that area after a while showed some surprising results and the "R" rate remained low confounding experts opinions. No rational explanation has been given except that most of the tourists were in open air.

    Infection rates are now higher than when lockdown were lifted so the scenario might not achieve the same results particularly if those places are receive a lot of tourists who are escaping from Tiers 2 & 3. I'm no expert but I would have thought it a bad idea to allow Tier 3 residents to be able to holiday in lower tiered places. However that's just my point of view and I'm also sure that there are many people in this higher tiers who could be trusted as they have conducted themselves by following the guidelines. 

    The other factor of course is the weather is now against staying outside for long periods for  many tourists so that may alter the dynamic. As I said I'm no expert.

    There you Fish, a post about NHS in rural areas.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #1013

    Why should any one debate the NHS in rural areas? it is a national UK wide service surprisedand as posted on this thead all the information that has been made available points towards tourism having nil effect on services in areas that some think it would undecided

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  • Tammygirl
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    edited October 2020 #1015

    Would agree on the plastic bags, we used to do this when horse riding in winter and skiing, nice and toasty. Might try it with gloves as well , pair of loose disposable ones then cycling glove over it undecided

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #1016

    Maybe because they have no reliable evidence, only supposition. We are told that in southern holiday areas there has been little effect. I can only surmise that this would be similar in rural areas of Wales. No real evidence and so no wish to discuss as I have little that I can add. 

     

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #1017

    We perhaps need to remember the concerns of people in more rural areas where maybe only one large hosiptal exists eg Treliske (the Royal Cornwall Hospital) and their more limited intensive care capacity.  They are often very busy in the tourist season due to accidents etc so that even a few extra tourism admissions reduces the ICU capacity.

    So although tourist Covid rates didn't impact too much it's all on a bit of a knife edge for locals if there's any increased pressure from outside.

    Equally inner city late night admissions from street incidents etc impact on hospital capacity. So to varying degrees everyone is affected and the stay at home policy might help to reduce the strain on hospital beds as other winter illnesses put pressure on capacity too.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #1018

    But it was also posted about how a covid specific ward was full at one hospital with all 8 beds occupiedsurprised,and even where we live thereis only two hospitals in the county with inpatient capacity and they are at each end of the county  one at Watford (on,the London boundary) the other at Stevenage (on the Bedfordshire/Cambridgeshire boundaries) so we are probably worse off for Hertfordshire population specific capacitysurprised

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #1019

    That’s a well put response brue. I found a report about tourists and impact on Cornish hospitals, which is very interesting, but dated now?

    https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/media/3628063/4_e_Impact_of_Tourism_on_Health_Services_in_Cornwall.pdf

     I would add that Cornwall is possibly in a worse situation than Wales, being a long peninsula, it’s only land border with Devon. Welsh residents will access hospital provision in England if that is more appropriate?

     

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #1020

    It ws just a general reply to the way things are, acknowledging all areas have problems in a crisis. 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #1021

    Yes, I agree, different issues in different areas.

    I found this report as well, much more recent, which gives the hospital provision for each region, compared with population, which is very interesting. Some areas appear to have over capacity, but will no doubt have a transient tourist population, while others have a much greater population, but not enough hospital provision, and still have the influx of tourists. Very complicated.........

    https://www.interweavetextiles.com/how-many-hospitals-uk/