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I must admit I have a lot of sympathy with your view. I was on holiday in Grassington last week and I am sure that a lot of the residents there were not happy about me being there. As it happened it appeared fairly quiet and I have to say I felt very safe. The only thing I would say is that had it have been as busy as Whitby appeared to be in the photo I would definitely have given it a wide berth. You have to make a judgement on how you find things when you visit these places.
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Just heard on the news that four university students at Nottingham have each been fined £10,000 for a breach of Covid regulations. They apparently decided to have a house party but were visited by the police and council officials. They denied that anyone was in the house except them but the police found over 30 people hiding in various rooms. On top of the fines they are facing possible expulsion from the university.
They said they just wanted to "have a bit of fun". We would all like a bit of fun but most of us take the Covid situation very seriously. I hope this will be a sobering lesson to others.
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We have been staying in a cottage in Coniston this week. Lake District businesses are certainly suffering and expect to be more so with most of the neighbouring areas being moved into Tier 3. We have walked every day, not met as many folk as usual but when we do everybody seems to be being very sensible about soctal distancing. We've walked (quickly) through the village which is very busy and Grasmere which is even more so. We've eaten out 3 times and each of those venues seems very well organised as far as covid precautions are concerned.
I said earlier on this thread (or a similar one) that we were not going to put our lives on hold (and got well and truly spanked for saying so) but we are very aware of possible dangers spots when we're out and about and react accordingly.
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What people seem not to understand by travelling/staying in rural areas is that they may bring the disease with them unknowingly. Likewise if they fall ill they put unreasonable pressure on sparse rural resources. Here in our village the second homers from Liverpool and Manchester descended last week end. No quarantine by them but out and about in our shops etc. The irony is if they fall ill the nearest hospital is 45 miles back towards Manchester in Wrexham, itself a hot spot.
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I have seen conflicting reports on where they think the main source of people catching the virus stems from. If we ignore the transmission within home environments which apparently is a big problem. One report I saw suggested that pubs and restaurants were of a major concern. Then someone mentioned shops but I don't think it was aimed are larger retailers more the small local shops where there is often less social distancing and the possibility that you will come across people not wearing masks is more common. Yesterday we were in JLMK which is a very large store and whilst there were a reasonable amount of people about it seemed well distanced. However if I go to my local Co-Op the gangways are about a metre wide it's almost impossible to avoid people even if they are acting reasonably!
David
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A good reasoned post, hopefully we'll be doing exactly the same next week, we'll keep away from crowds and keep to the hills.
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I find the layout of Co op shops terrible. As you say, narrow aisles. They tend to take over former properties rather than purpose built stores, so shoe horn everything in.
We drove back through Sheffield City Centre tonight. It’s all small cafes, bars, eateries, takeaways, barber shops in some areas. A lot are simply not going to survive. It’s normally heaving with students, but seemed very subdued. Personally, I doubt closing a few pubs, casinos and bouncy castles is enough to bring down the case rates, and there just aren’t enough police in SY to tackle the indoor meet ups. Could be lots of pain for little gain frankly, but I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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Certainly not a wasted year for us either. We are now at the end of our 5th week of our present trip out in our caravan and we're planning to continue with it for another few weeks yet. Prior to lockdown we'd completed an 8 week trip in this country and post lockdown another 5 week trip. As we are quite happy with our own company, apart from a couple of friends and our daughter, son and DIL we've not had prolonged face to face conversation with anyone. We don't bother heading out often and have only visited shop to purchase essential supplies, and will continue in this vein until another full lockdown. There are plenty of sites and CLs that we can use without coming into extended contact with anyone.
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You have to be sensible, take all the safety advice and just get on with it really. We hopped County today, a brief ride into Derbyshire, that will no doubt be banned after Friday night. We saw more pheasants than humans....... 😂
If I hear the bang bang of guns after Friday I will be seriously annoyed, lots of shoots around us.😡 Bound to be exempt😡😡
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Not sure why the 2nd homers would want to move to an area with even more restrictions than their main residence, but, each to their own.
There are 2nd homers in our village. I’ve no problem with them whatsoever, but others think otherwise.
People seem to think they put pressure on our local healthcare providers. I can’t get my head round this.If the house they live in 52 weekends a year was occupied by a family that lived there 365 days a year, surely that family would maybe need the local healthcare more often?
Maybe I should have just stuck to chemistry....🤔
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We certainly haven't managed what we planned, but did manage a week at Hawes before lockdown and spent September away in various parts of the country in glorious weather. We count ourselves as lucky, no financial worries, no need to interact with anybody we don't want to. Sure it's a bit disappointing not getting away as much as we wanted. However, things could have been a lot worse, indeed for some they were!
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Erm fish, I’m sorry but you wasted your brass on that charm school. I’d ask for a refund mate👍🏻🤷🏻♂️
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At present, we're just deciding week to week. Just booked Burford for a few days.
If you set the bar high enough, it must be quite possible to drive underneath it with a car, caravan and motorhome! 😉 It's quite possible to say safe on site, in my opinion. We tend to stay just for a few days.... we don't meet anyone (other than at check-in, and we use all our onboard facilities. I go for a serviced pitch, and when we go out for days, we go where there are no people... e.g. while we were at Buxton last week we walked up to to Eccles Pike (not too far from the car), and drove up to Cat & Fiddle - absolutely no-one about - mind you, the weather wasn't good.
David
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Personally, I doubt closing a few pubs, casinos and bouncy castles is enough to bring down the case rates, and there just aren’t enough police in SY to tackle the indoor meet ups.
I don't trust the reportage on which type of premises the spreading is most centred. I suspect some pubs in particular and meeting up in domestic premises to be high on the scale.
Could be lots of pain for little gain frankly, but I sincerely hope I am wrong.
I am suspecting the same. I am also tending to the view that (in general) most people tend to take sensible precautions. You cannot protect those that don't.
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There is a fine example of Covid Madness near me in Wales. Chester Football ground is about 7 miles away from me. There was a drive in cinema plane for Halloween. It was a ticket only event. The only vehicular access is from England but the welsh border runs through the car park. The toilet facilities are within Wales. A new venue has to be found. Now that is bureaucratic covid madness!
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I'm not sure why you decided to adopt such an insulting tone to a poster who probably spends more nights per year in their van, and on a greater variety of sites, than your good self.
The phrase "set the bar low enough" I suppose implies much the same as those who used to accuse some folk of being "too timid" to venture abroad.
The year has only been "wasted" if one chooses not to take alternatives to the same old routines one always does - it's just a question of adapting to circumstances. Since the lockdown we've had 3 cottage beaks in 3 very different parts of the country, been out and about in the countryside every day of those 3 weeks. That's in addition to our trips to Cornwall. We've probably been away from home for as many nights as a "normal" year.
One could say that deciding to stay at home rather than looking for new opportunities was a sign of low bar setting I suppose.
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+1 to all of that.
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I get what you mean about the Co-Op stores, but they do us for a quick in and out shop. They are never as busy as the large 'shed' supermarkets, so perhaps they don't need to be quite as generous. Personally, I'd rather go to the Co-Op than Adsa, Sainsbury's or Tescos.
I don't find Aldi too bad.... but they do sometimes suffer from smaller aisles. I quite like their traffic light system for allowing people in. I get the impression that Asda have given up on regulating the number of people in the store..
David
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Bouncy castles & soft fun centres with ball pools are areas of super cross infection-guaranteed🤷🏻♂️. They are places(in my experience) to be staff lite, small profit, large amounts of children, from very small toddler to pre teen all mixed with parents shadowing & guarding the toddlers. Add to that screaming & running in a total excited state, yup that is a covid friendly environment for sure☹️
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I would agree David, much prefer our Coop to the larger supermarkets we used while away. It has a very clearly marked one way system with large arrows and no entry signs on the floor. OK not totally observed but usually just someone nipping into the end of an isle to get something. It's never been that busy in any event. When we went in the large Tesco in Cirencester, folk were going every which way and despite the wider isles got closer than happens in our Coop. I am glad that for the heavy stuff we can get Tesco.com to deliver.
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One could say that deciding to stay at home rather than looking for new opportunities was a sign of low bar setting I suppose.
Hi Moulsey, And in the vein of many posts on this thread many would say that staying home was the sensible thing to do.
They might even think that visiting three different places , staying in three lots of rented accommodation, was reckless/inconsiderate/foolhardy etc but that would be their opinion and no reason for you not to do what you consider acceptable.
Last night in the late local BBC news two people were interviewed. One hotel owner, the Headland at Newquay, felt they had to accept bookings once made wherever the people came from and the other, from Hendra Touring Park, said anyone coming from a Tier 3 area would have their bookings ‘realigned or receive a refund’.
Which one is right, who can say but we are all of us having to continually reassess how we live our lives and maybe at times things do not come across as intended.
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1 to 10 they are a 1, but that is because they are common Zootoca vivipara 
-- sorry for delay in responding ADP, I was frying up my salad tea 
