NHS test/trace on site

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  • AcoupleofOldies
    AcoupleofOldies Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited October 2020 #122

    Not trying to convince anyone about smartphones, just finished a video chat with my grandchildren in Queensland on mine. The issue is the app and the CEO behind the T&T do I trust her ? Am I convinced that given the opportunity my details will be sold to the highest bidder? You can draw your own conclusions.

    PS like your bus nice to see that some of the old things are still valued shame trust and honesty from our current government seem to have slipped through the net.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2020 #123

    The first part of your postcode only!

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2020 #124

    But the app does not have your details....

  • AcoupleofOldies
    AcoupleofOldies Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited October 2020 #125

    That's what they tell you but do you believe them. To repeat myself I don't trust this shower of 🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2020 #126

    You may not trust them but I see that as no justification for refusing to help protect yourself and others.

    OK, let’s assume for the sake of argument that it's a great conspiracy and everyone is lying to us to get our details. So what? Numerous organisations and Govt Depts have them. What does it matter unless you have something to hide?

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2020 #127

    For the App to have any of your details it would have to go data mining on your phone. The only thing you put in is the first part of your post code. Are you seriously suggesting that such an illegal practice is going on. Personally I think that is pure fantasy.

  • AcoupleofOldies
    AcoupleofOldies Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited October 2020 #128

    It's pretty clear that we are on opposite sides of the fence as far as the  NHS  Covid19 app is concerned. The best we can achieve is to agree to disagree. As for having something to hide would I engage in an online discussion open to all members no I would keep my head down and not draw attention to my opinions

    I remain unconvinced that the app will be as useful as it is claimed to be and as such will not go onto my smart phone.

    My final comment is stay safe and keep the discussions going.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2020 #129

    It’s your choice entirely, WCC, but I ask that you consider the scenario I set out earlier.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #130

    Just a final thought WCC, it’s far easier to find out things about folks than by using an App. Just as an example, I think I might have a good idea where in Essex you live........  😉

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #131

    So don’t use it👍🏻. Next

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #132

    If you are really worried just bear in mind that your entire life is easily available to the authorities.  Even if the app was to mine all of the information on your phone it would only find a tiny amount of what is readily available to the authorities from other sources.  

  • John Snowball
    John Snowball Forum Participant Posts: 30
    edited October 2020 #133

    Both sync at the same time. I will go out with the one on the right. 

  • Wherenext
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    edited October 2020 #134

    Better charge the battery JS.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2020 #135

    Both the NHS one and the Protect Scotland one, as we are up there at the moment.

  • bill
    bill Forum Participant Posts: 388
    edited October 2020 #136

    Do you have to register the QR code every day of your stay or just once on arrival ?

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #137

    Just once Bill.

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2020 #138

    I would think just on arrival. Assuming the code is in the reception, I would think the last thing they would want is you going back every day to zap it. 

    I wonder how the C&CC are handling it. I understand you don't enter reception with them. Do they bring the code to you?

  • Surfer
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    edited October 2020 #139

    These people who allow a Smartphone to rule their lives must live on a different planet?  We both have Smartphones, but will NOT have any personal details on either phone. 

    We do not have FB, Twitter or CMC on our phones.  We do not have bank details on either phone as see no need for it and certainly do not let a Smartphone rule our lives as like to think we are quite capable of doing that ourselves.  Generally we both have location switched off.  Why would you want to use an app to turn on your heating when you can do it yourself when you get home etc? 

    As for the Track & Trace app it relies on people updating it that they have Covid19 so if they do not update no one is any the wiser. Why isn't Track & Trace mandatory in supermarkets?

    It boils down to being smarter than any smartphone and not going to places where you can come into contact with other people. 

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #140

    Steve. I was disappointed to find the C&CC hadn't got going with putting up the QR code on our visit to the Lakes when other local venues had. I hope they've done it now, the codes are usually visible behind a window in most places. You just hold up your phone. point it at the QR code whilst on the app at the venue check in section and it automatically takes a screen shot of the code, no effort involved. Repeat the same as you move around other venues.

    That's just to help anyone who hasn't used it yet.

  • bill
    bill Forum Participant Posts: 388
    edited October 2020 #141

    I went to a CAMC site last week and the QR code was on the back of some paperwork I was given.

  • bill
    bill Forum Participant Posts: 388
    edited October 2020 #142

    Thank you

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #143

    Unfortunately Surfer there are millions of people who have to go out to work etc and risk daily contacts. The few who can avoid all potential contacts are a rare breed. Therefore contacts occur and the virus, as we have seen, gets a grip. Anything which alerts people to the circulation of the virus breaks the chain at the moment.

  • peedee
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    edited October 2020 #144

    Why would you want to use an app to turn on your heating when you can do it yourself when you get home etc?

    It means I arrive home to a toasty house instead of freezing to death waiting for the heating to warm up. I can also interrogate and control my house security system and cameras along with the many things highlighted in posts above.

    peedee

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2020 #145

    It boils down to being smarter than any smartphone and not going to places where you can come into contact with other people.

    Online banking which I use my smartphone for is very secure and avoids unnecessary visits to the bank, where I would come into contact with others. My son tells me I can pay cheques in as well, which I didn't realise. So I won't even have to visit for that. 

    Telephone banking I would regard as less secure and if a computer is used instead of a smartphone the risks are the same. Very low as long as you follow all of the guidance in relation to online security.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2020 #146

    It's personal choice, Surfer. "These people", as you call them, use their smartphones in the way they choose.

    Rather than allowing it to rule lives, I see it as us being in control and using a tool to achieve a desired outcome. We humans decide what we want, not the phones.

    My only regret with present day technology is that it wasn't around when I was growing up. I actually envy the youngsters of today in that respect.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2020 #147

    I agree 100%. I control it not the other way round.

    It makes life so much easier, maps, paying for things...and looking at students and what they do with theirs makes me realise that I probably use mine for only a tenth of what it can be used for

  • RowenaBCAMC
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    edited October 2020 #148

    Hi everyone,

    I understand there's been some confusion over the email sent on Friday. I have been in touch with the Sites team and they have advised that the app usage is voluntary, our primary track and trace system is still our booking system. 

    The Track & Trace system is in use at all Club campsites.The system allows individuals to download a Govt App and then scan a code within hospitality venues, to “check in” to the venue - This is entirely voluntary, and whilst not a requirement for members to “check in”, the Club, and other campsites or holiday parks, are legally bound to display the new NHS QR Code posters at its campsites. We feel strongly that containing outbreaks at an early stage and reducing the ability for the COVID virus to spread is ultimately beneficial to us all and are asking our members and guests to support the use of the new system.

    I hope this helps clear up any confusion. 

     

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2020 #149

    OMG! I agree with both Tinny & Corners! And at the same time too! 😉😉

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2020 #150

     .... My only regret with present day technology is that it wasn't around when I was growing up. I actually envy the youngsters of today in that respect.

    I wish we'd had it 30 plus years ago when I was travelling the world via Grey Funnel Liner. Video/WhatsApp calls would have been a lot easier than faffing around finding phone boxes using phone exchanges.

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2020 #151

    Agree. Particularly liked the translation App that came with iOS 14. Speak to it and it repeats the phrase in the language of your choice. Very quick and easy to use and seems accurate.👍