NHS test/trace on site
Comments
-
+1👍🏻, It’s also dangerous folk spreading fake news AD it could cost lives🙁
0 -
No not tied together. Although I think the authorities can get very basic info like the number of alerts and general area of the country. The main benifit is that it will warn you if you have been in close proximity to someone, 2 / 4 metres for 15 minutes, who later tests positive. Or for you to assist others you might have been close to by reporting your positive test. For ourselves who don't do public transport, restaurants etc, we are unlikely to be close enough to those we don't know for long enough. For others who still have to work, use public transport etc, it is a valuable additional tool in the fight against the virus.
1 -
No, JV. It is two different things. The T&T team question people who are tested positive about their contacts and then set about tracing those contacts.
The app is effectively an add on in the hope of preventing spread of the virus and reducing deaths. It works by relying on those who subsequently test positive to input that info into the app. The app then sends out magic waves to all other app users who were near the infected person and alerts them to the need to isolate.
That's as clear as I can make it. The app is a weapon to fight with, don't dissuade people from using it due to fake news and misunderstanding.
1 -
Very confuseing when i would think the majority of the population expect both to be in contact ,and as the police can now ask for details of people suspected of breaking isolation rules (amongst i would think other reasons for questioning the said person/s) what info would be available if not tied together?
0 -
Agree. Serco was involved with the original test and trace that failed miserably. The App is something different.
0 -
I repeat, any police involvement will be via the manual T&T team to reach those the team have contacted. That is nothing at all to do with the anonymous app.
1 -
Yes David the problems with TalkTalk were with their system whilst the CEO was Dido Harding. If you have confidence in the NHS app whilst she is running it then fine download it. My TalkTalk account was hacked during her reign and I still receive calls as a result. It is as I say a matter of confidence and whilst she is at the helm I am getting ready to abandon ship.
1 -
The app works like radar, detecting passing ships!
The test & trace works via human intervention eg you get off a plane from a country that requires uk quarantine, you are logged into the system via the details you have to supply at the airport, you might get a phone call to check you are quarantining.
One works on non human contact the other works on contact.
0 -
I presume you'd be willing to give details on paper when asked, the app saves a lot of paper work and manual contact tracing. Which is more secure, your details handed over to someone you don't know or an anonymous app?
Personally I prefer the more anonymous app route where the coding should prevent interference from outside sources.
Regarding hacking, this happens to many big institutions unfortunately, it's a price we pay for developing technology.
0 -
-
You don't actually have an App account with any personal data, so there is not anything to hack. Nothing is stored centrally so there is not a database to hack into. In the event your phone was hacked all they would get is a meanless jumble of codes from the NHS App. Although they may well get information about you from other sources on your phone.
1 -
Seems a daft idea as you have pay for the pitch and the CMC already have all your contact details whether or not you have a Smartphone. We are all for Track & Trace, but it needs to be used correctly which is why it is not working!
We would prefer a proper lockdown as that seemed to work in slowing down the virus however now people abuse the leeway they have been given and just don't care any more i.e. Liverpool the other night and other cities, towns etc like it!
0 -
Seems a daft idea as you have pay for the pitch and the CMC already have all your contact details whether or not you have a Smartphone. We are all for Track & Trace, but it needs to be used correctly which is why it is not working!
I agree it does seem a bit superfluous. The only information it gets is that you checked into that site on that particular day. Unless you go back daily it has no idea how long you stay. Where as the CC have our home address, phone number and length of stay all readily available on their system. It does if course depend on the track and trace people chasing up the CC in the event someone reports a positive test. However, I suppose it is another string to the bow in the battle against this virus.
0 -
Agree but the rot set in with the Daytrip to Barnard Castle. Once that happened no-one could take the restrictions seriously. As for the magic App it is not the answer, it will not protect you, it will not magically send out rays that will smite the virus down all it will do is advise you that you have been near to someone with the virus provided of course they have the app and it's turned on. I am going to email my MP and check if he has downloaded the app. If he has then I may have some confidence in the system but in reality I doubt he has.
0 -
-
Sorry but that’s not correct. The Barnard Castle incident didn’t prevent me taking the restrictions seriously, mainly because I am not thick enough to follow suit. My first priority is doing what is safest for me, my loved ones, AND other people.
What it did do was confirm some underlying suspicions around the suitability, intelligence and morality of those in positions of power, and making decisions on our behalf. DC wasn’t the only one who made a very bad decision, but he got away with it, and our top decision maker colluded in his getting away with it. Hence the reason why so many people, including MPs are now questioning the rights and wrongs of this latest round of shutting down selected areas.
It’s about much more than case numbers. It’s about being able to pay your mortgage, your fuel bills, food for your family, which has an impact on mental health, relationships, taken to the enth degree, not getting so down you commit suicide. That’s the reality for lower paid, zero contract workers, and that covers a great deal of the hospitality and leisure sector, which is what has to shut down first.
The App is a tech tool to help inform those who choose, or have to be out in places where they might come into contact with others who might test positive. It’s not a cure, it’s an aid. If you have no intentions of going out, visiting eateries, shops, travelling on public transport, getting your hair cut, etc..... then simply don’t load it. But if you do, then help out, it costs nothing.
1 -
But Dido Harding or Serco has nothing to do with the running of the NHS App. I appreciate that you have had an unsettling experience with TalkTalk. However there are tens of millions of people who use SmartPhones to virtually run their lives without any problems. The transmission of data over a mobile phone connection is more secure than say using site wifi because its encrypted.
I would argue that it is far more secure to read a QR code on a phone than leave a piece of paper with anyone and not knowing what happens to that piece of paper when you leave a site. I would imagine the Club deal with this in a secure way by shredding those details once someone has left the site but the nature of bits of paper is that they can go astray with enough personal details for some nefarious person to use them to their advantage?
David
2 -
Of course the app's not a cure all. It's an aid to help prevent the spread of infection. It may not be perfect but if it saves one life it's surely worth it.
Consider this, you unwittingly come into contact with someone who subsequently tests positive. You don’t know that because you don’t have the app so you carry on as normal. You do your shopping, visit the barber, meet family and friends (within the guidelines)..... Then you develop symptoms and test positive. Whoops, if only you'd had the app you would have isolated and protected all those folk you came into contact with.
Having the app will kill no one but Covid might.
2 -
Hmm, I was wondering what happened to the emoji I used last time😀
0 -
I wonder how they're getting on CAMC HQ? The email we all received wasn't worded well or helpful to people without smart phones, hence all these discussions.
Has anyone reported the subsequent confusion and discontent?
Please report my post if it helps to produce a more sensible and considered response from Grinstead Towers which explains clearly what non smart phone users should do.
I hope they haven't been inundated with irate members but I fear they may have been.
In the meantime I'm happy with the app until further notice.
I'm glad I don't work for a Telecomms Company I realise my teaching abilities are less than perfect and that resistance isn't futile for some!
0 -
I borrowed it to use on another thread. It’s getting a tad worn, remind me to send you a new one.....😉
1 -
All reported, Brue, although I suspect numerous emails have been sent.
0 -
Just read ( and not fake news
Serco shares have had a major boost after the CEO "advised" all that the "track and trace" that they were running has been very succesfull and is being extended with more ptofits than first envisaged with them Still in charge
)
1
