Possible new Covid restrictions next week

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  • Rufs
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    edited October 2020 #122

    I give my thanks to Lutz for this gem in the overseas section, which IMO just goes to show that the UK is not the only country that is making up rules on the hoof, thank you Lutz

    "Another thing to remember is that if you have visited one of the named hotspots in Germany, depending on what state within Germany you then travel on to, you may be subject to quarantining there, or at least having to produce a negative Covid-19 test result. As the situation can change almost on a daily basis and the requirements vary from state to state, it's impossible to make a blanket recommendation at the moment, especially if your knowledge of German is not that great and you are unable to follow the respective news bulletins on the radio or TV."

    Note also that a National emergency has been declared in Madrid undecided

    Looks lie we are all in it together laughing

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2020 #123

    It remains to be seen how specific the lock down areas are. We live in Nottinghamshire and there has been some talk of the whole county, or at least surrounding council areas, being placed in the same tier as Nottingham City, which has one of the highest rates in the country, although mainly student related. We are 20 miles from the city and rates are not particularly high here. However, folk do commute to the city, I did for a while when I was working. So it's not an easy decision to make.

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #124

    I thought that the using antibodies from recovered patients was to kick start the immune system of those that needed a near immediate boost to help them fight off an existing infection.  Has it also been trailed in healthy people as a means of providing long term protection similar to a vaccine?

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #125

    If your wife's twin tested positive for antibodies recently after being infected in March it suggests that antibodies are staying around for sometime which must be good if the response was strong.

    Has anybody heard of proven cases of people getting CV19 twice or more?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #126

    ‘‘Twas ever thus Rufs👍🏻. If anyone has taken even a passing interest in the Pandemic they’ll notice every country has made good decisions & not so good ones, some countries-no good decisions😢. It’s human nature to push the envelope in the name of science as well as just making daft decisions, it is what it is🤷🏻‍♂️. I don’t envy any countries Govt, they’re trying to keep the economy functioning without too many casualties, with a backdrop of the knowledge that even if they manage to bring covid to its knees it will never be beaten until there is an effective vaccine, potentially 6-9months away.

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #127

    More volunteers are needed for the vaccine trials, particularly amongst older age groups. If we want our lives back and have a vaccine asap here's an NHS LINK to this trials programme.

    I must admit I haven't volunteered, has anyone on here?

  • SeasideBill
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    edited October 2020 #128

    ‘Proven’ who knows, but I do recall such a case reported by the media in HK. The patient had few if any symptoms second time around. However, could all be nonsense and result from test failings? I’ve seen and heard enough to convince me that this Coronavirus is broadly the same as every other Coronavirus variant and provides some immunity. Even if immunity is short lived, large levels of infection over a short period of time is enough to do the job. 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited October 2020 #129

    Might  provide a bit of information here, but it seems still to be work in progress?

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02506-y

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2020 #130

    No, that's your spin on what I said.

    I don't doubt that immunity in general exists. The uncertainty is whether such immunity is lasting. I also said those who are immune can still carry the infection.

    I certainly haven't said I mistrust conventional wisdom. Please don't put words into my mouth.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited October 2020 #131

    It will never be beaten in any circumstances. If there ever is a vaccine there are plenty who won’t take it, encouraged by fake or exaggerated scare reports on FB etc. Herd immunity will eventually keep it in check, a third of the world population was infected with Spanish Flu before it burnt out. However, it will always be out there along with a whole host of deadly viruses that we share this planet with. 

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #132

    You'll probably find some of these things are being tested in the NHS link I gave! smile

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #133

    👍🏻👏🏻

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #134

    No. viruses like smallpox have been eliminated due to vaccines, there is research going on now into the old small pox vaccine to see if it has any relevance in developing a Covid vaccine. Herd immunity is not a simple answer, LINK to Lancet article " we should not put our faith in the immunity of the herd" is the end quote.smile

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #135

    As  above another expert from a university

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #136

    That is just what as i posted some day ago but for some reason? it has been "removed" when i earlier repeated what the expert saidundecided

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #137

    I heard of a similar case was reported in Singapore but I think it was shown to be wrong some weeks later.

    Constant or regular exposure to a light level infection may be helpful in providing and boosting immunity for many.  Unfortunately it would appear that heavy and prolonged exposure, i.e. taking on a large load, such as some medics have done is dangerous.  That is my main reason for not sharing heavily populated enclosed spaces.  

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #139

    Normal? or what it seems is the new   "normal"life  my OH who is quite vulnerable is really having problems coping with todays way of life, with all the changes( She says)it seems to have brought with itundecided

  • Pliers
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    edited October 2020 #140

    Yes, OH and myself volunteered in mid August, we’re both in the older age group. Received an automated email acknowledgment, but have heard nothing since.

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #141

    JV-‘a few months old’ it isn’t it’s been around almost a year. Who is the expert from a University saying it was a few months old🤷🏻‍♂️🤔

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #142

    She’s alive, coping is something that has to be done. As long as you support her it will end eventually. Mental health around the globe is becoming a worry☹️

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #143

    The problem is getting those with "problems " to realiseundecided

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #144

     I think he was just useing a "figure of speech" he was from Anglia Ruskin? but he did seem to put a more realistic view 

  • Rufs
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    edited October 2020 #145

    agree, but was out on the football field this morning, lots of pitches, lots of different ages kicking a ball around, great to see, and then, loads of parent/gparents huddled together on the touchlines, incredible   yell

  • SeasideBill
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    edited October 2020 #146

    Scientists disagree Smallpox

  • rayjsj
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    edited October 2020 #147

    We have been away in our Motorhome since the end of August, touring North Wales,the Lakes, Western Scotland, and now back in North Wales heading home to Pembrokeshire, we have only used our own facilities and have been isolating in our Motorhome, with very little interaction with others, except with masks and social distancing, when we get home we will self isolate for 14 days.

    Only problem we found was when Lady Margaret Park closed and cancelled our booking. However we managed to get onto Coed-y-Llwyn on which the whole toilet block is closed, not a problem for us.  Touring IS possible, if you are careful.

    However, the law is the law, even if some of it doesn't  make a lot of sense.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2020 #148

    Like I said, you can't make other people stick to rules, advice, procedures, all you can do is look after your self?

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  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #150

    Did you read the names of some who signed up for the Great Barrington Declaration on herd immunity? 

    Here are a few examples of the scientific signatories.

    1. Dr Johnny Bananas
    2. A resident from the University of Your Mum
    3. Professor Boris Isacompulsiveliar
    4. 100 therapists including experts on Mongolian khoomli singing
    5. Professor Cominic Dummings
    6. A specialist who's name was the first verse of the Macarena...
    7. Thanks to the I on Saturday for providing me with a giggle in these unfathomable days! 😀🤓😃
  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #151

    There are also several Dr Shipmanssurprised