Possible new Covid restrictions next week
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However, the mayor of Greater Manchester says that "his" scientist states that the major source of transmission is within the family circle and not in pubs etc. As the saying goes "Put 12 scientist in a room to sort out a problem and they'll come up with 15 different conclusions"
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I read it earlier today but can't find it now, I wonder if it's incorrect and has been removed?
We have a blip in the SW due to students getting the virus at Exeter Uni, it's a very high rate but it's fairly contained on the campus. These sort of figures skew the general situation, much the same at the University of Northumbria where staff pressed for a delay in student admissions due to local increases taking place, it was ignored. Local and sometimes ill judged decisions appear to sway outcomes as much as central ones.
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I’ve been a member of the club for quiet a number of years now. I read the discussion section regularly but rarely contribute as unfortunately there are some very active contributors ready to voice their opinions and ridicule other members contributions. However with regards to COVID-19, which is a killer, then I believe if you are unfortunate enough to live in an area with a high infection rate then you should not be travelling around the country with the possibly of spreading the virus - regardless of how low the risk may be. If we all accept that this year has been exceptional and that there may be a few more months of restrictions & pain then hopefully we can all get back to some sort of normal touring next year. Our government has a very difficult balancing act - keep the economy going without put millions out of work and at the same time protecting the health of the population. Anyone who thinks they can do better should stand for election in the next elections whenever they may be!
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Earlier this week the mayor of Greater Manchester stated on a radio interview that the main reason for such a high rate in the GM area was due to the amount of infected students. He stated the rate amongst students in the area was 3,000 in 100,000.
He cant have it both ways.
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I struggle to understand why anyone cites a particular group tbh🤷🏻♂️, an infection is an infection that can be passed on, surely the carrier is secondary 3,000 is the significant fact. I’m out on the coast of East Yorkshire the infected rate is 3, it is the number that’s indicative of the problem not the carrier.
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I think we need to look at the long term picture. Lock it all down now and that way we may be able to actually go about touring the Uk or Europe next year. We cancelled 2 European trips this year due to FCO advice, which we have no problem. We spent our time visiting Devon and Cornwall along with a lot of other club members as sites very busy, so supporting local economies.
To many are ignoring any advice about distancing and wearing face mask. I work as a Retail store manager and unfortunately too many people wan t to give conspiracy theories as to why they don’t need to comply with regulations. It Amazes how many people claim exemption and these are in the groups of people that have really been hit hard with deaths from COVID 19.
So clearly we have a need to restrict movements to other areas now to stop any spread of the virus.1 -
This is where in this couuntry,we have no "authorities! it seems who can "instill" in parts of the population who "thumb their noses" at those who try ,whereas in other countries in the world any "rules" are complied with because there is real control
Our grandaughter contacted us from Nott Trent Uni is now having to isolate because one of her student accomodation flat mates did not follw guide lines and has been out in the City centre "mixing in the bars"and has now tested positive
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Locking everything down wont make the virus go away, it will resurge again once the lockdown ends as has been shown in every country.
There is no simple answer to this problem. Governments must strike a balance between public health and the economy. Some people may not want to hear it but we will have to accept the virus will be spreading in the population and killing people until an effective vaccine has been developed and the vast majority of the worlds population has been inoculated.
The amount of infection can only be controlled by restricting peoples interaction with each other, but interaction must happen to some degree to keep the economy alive.
The financial cost of all this also cannot be ignored. Like it or not this will all have to be paid for. Governments cannot pay everyones wages, subsidise businesses that need to close, and keep all public services running forever. Its all a difficult balance and some people will be affected more than others, and there will always be people who think they know best and could do better.
Lots of people, including politicians, have and will continue to criticise how our government have handled the situation, but to be honest, none have come up with a credible alternative strategy.
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Quite a lot fingers being pointed at students and the younger generation, but we shouldn’t be surprised, or too alarmed. Government policy and the influential higher education sector have created the human petri dish situation we now see in many universities, but maybe it’s not such a bad thing? The ‘slow burn’ strategy currently adopted by politicians may do much to ease the strain on NHS services, but it also creates a situation in which the economy and social fabric of our country could be destroyed before CV19 burns itself out. Clearly an effective vaccine is the best exit card, but if that doesn’t happen or is much delayed, the only game in town is herd immunity and locking several thousand students together in a controlled environment speeds up that process effectively.
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If the OP genuinely thinks that 'the rules are so confusing' then l suggest he reads the government website where it is made perfectly plain.
If he still thinks it appropriate to travel to South Cumbria then l hope he remembers to remain 2m apart from everyone at all times - no exceptions or excuses - regardless of how inconvenient he might find it.
Anyone who thinks that it is ok to travel from a lockdown area for a holiday needs to have a long hard look at themselves.
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I’d avoid the lakes whatever. Made the mistake of stopping at Pooley Bridge a few weeks back. On a weekend the place is like party central, loads of youngsters camping/glamping in big groups. All the pubs/restaurants heaving with visitors. Lots of noise until late on the campsite. Nowhere to park the van as many of the lay-bys were closed. Crowds everywhere and very little social distancing possible even if minded to do so. That said, I’m sure there are some quieter spots if you make the effort. I’ve never been a big fan of the Lake District, so we moved on quickly as we didn’t feel safe there. I think quite a few (commercial) campsites are being used as a means of avoiding local restrictions for large groups.
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I’m afraid it don’t work like that SB🤷🏻♂️☹️. Herd immunity?, with nothing in place for protecting the old, vulnerable & immuno challenged the death rate would be horrendous we would all lose people we love before their time. Plus those kinds of experiments/thinking is barbaric so no democratic Govt would do that. Vaccine is the best & only show in town👍🏻
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I am not so sure its finger pointing as such but more of a way of trying to understand where the exponential rise in infections are coming from. With hindsight you can always question whether it was right that Universities actually accepted students in halls this year. Some evidence points to about a third of infections originating from within Hospitality such as pubs and restaurants. Some say that one of the main places of infection is within the household but is that because people have been out for a night out? Interesting snippet on the BBC News, apparent the many student positive results have not yet been included in the daily figures!
David
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Quite a bit quieter here this week compared to recently, but who knows what half-term will bring?
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I’ve been there every day.
It is busier than it usually is in Oct but not as bad as it was a few weeks back. It depends a lot on where you're headed and what half term might bring.
I'll add my plea at this point for anyone in a restricted area who is contemplating travelling here to please respect the limited and stretched NHS resources in this area by following the rules applicable to you. Thankyou.
Edit: Snap, SB😀. Almost word for word👍🏻
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I think it does. The key word in my ramblings was ‘controlled’. You keep them all together, well apart from the local community, you test and isolate them and you keep on doing that until tests results prove negative. At that point they pose a lower risk to the rest of us. Having them return home en-masse now for whatever reason would threaten the vulnerable. Containment and control would result in a rapid and sizeable decrease in the numbers of so called ‘super spreaders’ in the community. Everybody who gets and survives CV19 contributes to herd immunity. The task is to manage them carefully during that phase and it’s better practiced with those who typically have mild or no symptoms than older people. Some question if there is such a thing as immunity, but I’d be surprised if CV19 doesn’t have the same kind of pathology as most other viruses. Certainly agree with your point about vaccine, but what if......?
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Our grand daughter is having to isolate at Nott Trent Uni ,and as she has told us today it was just one of her flat mates? (there are seven where she is)who has been out in the City at bars , who has tested positive ,and she understands there are now numerous student accommodations in the same situation ,all because as she says "they only think its others that get infected"
IMHO it may well be what i was told by some teachers,they have been advised to be prepared for an extended half term in schools
Is there going to be a bigger than some think lockdown and HMG are hoping it is not needed earlier
How many of us "oldies" predicted what would happen when schools/universitys went back, especially Unis with youngsters from every where including overseas
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There is something called the Great Barrington Declaration signed by many eminent Doctors, Scientists, nearly twenty thousand of them. Basically what they are advocating is controlled herd immunity. They say that trying to contain the virus will mean that it could be years before it comes under control. Their plan would involve tight control over the vulnerable to protect them but otherwise they would allow the non vulnerable population to be infected. It is accepted that in the case of viruses if 70% of the population become immune it will fizzle out as it becomes more and more difficult to pass on. Obviously a vaccine would have a similar impact.
I am just putting this out there and not advocating it as I am in the age group who would have to become a virtual prisoner whilst this takes place. There could be flaws in the argument because as yet we don't know how long immunity lasts, is it a matter of months or years? The group don't put forward any research to back up their suggestion, it is just their view of how things could be tackled on the basis of their expertise.
David
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Yes and the Declaration does not seem to take into account "Long Covid" which for many, they estimate 1 in 5, could have life time complications, as can already be seen. Kate Galloways husband is still in hospital 6 months on and not showing any signs of a full recovery, many very fit people are also reporting difficulty breathing etc. Some of them in the know say we could be left with a legacy of very unwell people if we let the virus run wild, e.g. herding.
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Our grand daughter is having to isolate at Nott Trent Uni ,and as she has told us today it was just one of her flat mates? (there are seven where she is)who has been out in the City at bars , who has tested positive ,and she understands there are now numerous student accommodations in the same situation ,all because as she says "they only think its others that get infected"
and this is the problem, people acting irresponsibly, and as i have said previously, we are looking to these students to be our future captains of industry, it is time they all woke up and smelled the coffee, makes my blood boil
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Makes a lot of sense to me, the older/more vulnerable become prisoners in any situation outwith a vaccine, so what’s to lose? Herd immunity will, at some point, reduce your prison time. Just keeping a lid on things, which seems to be the current strategy, means we all get to live (and die) with CV19 for many years to come. The longer the virus is out there, the more chance we’ll get mutations leading to CV22 or CV24 ....or worse.
Students are too good an opportunity to miss. Extraordinary times require extraordinary solutions.
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