Possible new Covid restrictions next week
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‘They estimate’ is a bit vague. Yes, long CV clearly exists, but post viral fatigue and related chronic health conditions are nothing new. I haven’t seen any data that suggests CV19 is different to any other virus in that respect.
Young people will behave like young people do. They’re all going to live forever and make a better job of things than the previous generation - weren’t you young once?
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Snag is, when herd immunity is achieved and we elderly people are released from house arrest, we’ll be the ones with no immunity whatsoever.
Trip in the ‘van to Brittany, where the French will have followed a different path, or next door’s pal from Madrid visiting, not a good outcome at all.....🤔
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The important point you’re missing is that herd immunity equals the point at which the virus is largely eradicated, because it’s starved of infection transmission opportunity. The ‘new normal‘ might mean some places are off limits, just like you wouldn’t travel to West Africa during the Ebola outbreak.
If herd immunity equals 70% infected, that reduces the odds considerably for the vulnerable venturing out. In that scenario the ‘R’ number drops off a cliff quite quickly, getting lower every day.
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Howay ya sweet talking beggar
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Geez it gets worse-good luck with that idea👍🏻, I think it was tried many decades ago & failed miserably☹️
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I'm finding some of this makes uncomfortable reading as hinted at by R2b and, in my view, both he and Pliers are right
Folk tend to forget that even if a person is immune, they can still carry the virus and infect others. In other words, they can have the disease but their immune system keeps it in check. Also, no one has yet, to the best of my knowledge, established how long such immunity lasts. For all we know the Covid anti bodies could be short lived.
In your scenario, vulnerable people with impaired immune systems will have suffered imprisonment for nothing. You would have them released to face a barrage of covid carrying immune people. I find that unpalatable.🙁
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If somebody tests negative (as I proposed), they don’t have the virus. They can’t pass on what they haven’t got.
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No true, even if tested negative they could be carrying the virus and are able to pass it on to others.
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Not true SB. Even if a person is tested negative they could still be carrying the virus and could then pass it on to others.
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I like to see the evidence to support that. I think the Government and medical community might be disappointment to discover that a regular testing regime is a waste of time.
Before we go off on a tangent, for clarity, if you read my posts carefully you’ll see that I’m advocating building herd immunity through a series of controlled measures based on containment, isolation and regular testing. In this instance, that involves using the current opportunity of thousands of students gathered together in various locations around the country. It carries absolutely no increased risk to any vulnerable group, because it’s already happening. My point is, rather than waste this opportunity and allow them to return uncontrolled back into their communities, you could get some benefit from it, That’s it, nothing more, nothing less.
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I have a CL booked from next Tuesday and was required to pay a deposit. Waiting for Monday's announcement with baited breath - although why the English have had to wait four days longer than the Scots and the Welsh I have no idea.
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Wow so many eminent experts on one forum should have it sorted in no time
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Experts?, no. Interested & concerned citizens?, yes👍🏻. It’s life & death to a lot of folk. This virus has taken many, it will take many more. I for one will follow the experts advice.
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That’s an easy one C👍🏻, epidemiologists, public health professors, behavioural psychologists, virology professors folk of that ilk who are already on a big panel advising Govts. FaceBook pundits & armchair Trolls are to be ignored, I’ve seen their advice. . .It’s frightening☹️
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It's good to hear from one taking part in such a survey, David. Doubt about effectiveness of anti bodies was what I was talking about and you've confirmed that sort of hits the herd immunity theory on the head.
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Me sort it out?, absolutely not in the least bit. I can read, not only can I read I can understand, not only do I understand I follow AD in that I choose what I want to hear-that is the truth. I don’t trust Govts, any Government of any country. I do believe known & respected experts. . .The ones that can be researched back to their universities & employments. They give the advice that is in factual form, what Govts do with it is no fault of the experts. They(as AD said) follow what they want to hear. One thing Govts forget is-they will in time be held accountable👍🏻
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It's that very uncertainty I refer to, David. It's possibly something that will only be known in the course of time and cannot he relied upon in the interim. 🤷♂️
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In your earlier post you described how the immune system keeps the virus in check. Either you accept there is such a thing as an immune response or not? If you mistrust all the conventional wisdom on these matters you could be out of circulation for a long time.
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Indeed you can’t. My sister-in-in law is taking part in the ONS study but has no symptoms. My wife, as a twin, is long term involved in research conducted by the Kings College Department of Twin Research & Genetic Epidemiology. The research has been extended to include CV19 and the effectiveness of antibody tests amongst many other things. A few weeks back my wife and her twin sister were both tested for antibodies. My wife who has not had any symptoms tested negative for antibodies. Her twin sister, who was unwell in March, tested positive for antibodies. The research is ongoing.
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