Possible new Covid restrictions next week
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Quite how it will be enforced remains a mystery.....
and this is the problem with containing this virus, it should not be a case of how you enforce it, people should just do it, but of course many dont, and short of drafting in the army as was done in Spain (Madrid) to lock people down, which is what we dont want, then containing the virus will of course be much more difficult.
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But should you even be contemplating moving into an area that might or might not be moving into lock down.
The measures that may be brought into force are being brought in to control a pandemic, surely now that the pandemic has become much more prevalent we should be scaling back our travel movements , sure , you may be able to social distance etc to mitigate the chance of catching the virus, but seems a bit strange to me to be contemplating visiting an area where the people within that area are probably not allowed to move out of that area, no matter what your activities may be whilst within that area.
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Of course no sensible person would move into an area in "lockdown" but, at the moment anyway, large parts of the country are not in lockdown and that includes Cumbria. If the situation changes we'll respond appropriately. But as I (and others) have said before we are not going to put our lives on hold, we will travel, and behave responsibly taking all sensible precautions.
If we lived in a "lockdown" area we wouldn't contemplate travelling anywhere.
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With the 'coughs, colds and sniffles' flu season fast approaching, it's surely time to lay up our leisure vehicles and not add more burden to the health services because of not being able to differentiate between the two.
I have just upgraded my fibre package to unlimited, the Smart TV and Netflix is going to get a lot of use in the next few months
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yes, sorry, i was perhaps reading a little too much into
Would be very nice to know before then what, if any, travel restrictions might come into force
from this i assumed your destination might be under some form of lock down by the time you travel, and leading on from that i assumed this destination was already a high risk area.
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Yes, of course it all our individual actions which will make or break us, HD, but let's be honest, the government were only recently encouraging us to "go down the pub" - wasn't that the thinking behind the "eat out to help out" scheme?
I think what people may blame the government for is the constant equivocation and changing of the rules/guidelines from one week to the next; the constant claims that we have a "world beating" system and Dido Harding is the person to lead us out of the crisis. And now, the claims that anyone, including some of their own MPs, who in any way criticises their actions is wanting to "let the virus rip"!
Time for some straight talking and hard love from Matt/Boris I think.
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It is individual actions that can make or break a situation.
But it is the responsibility of elected governments to make sure that common sense policies are implemented, mixed messages are minimalised and that there’s a robust, democratic, fair policing of such policies carried out. And of course making sure those making the decisions are up to the task and don’t ride rough shod over the majority to pander to a minority. I can think of huge failings of all these aspects in England, and of course most services (NHS, Police, Local Councils, Etc....) were under resourced and understaffed well before this pandemic. ☹️
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I’ve just read reports on the BBC that some headteachers are telling their staff not to use the NHS track and trace app in case it causes too many alerts meaning staff must isolate. They have also reportedly told staff to ignore any alerts. Unbelievable!
It worries me that these irresponsible, selfish and plainly stupid people are responsible for the education of our children.
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easy to cast dispersions when your not in the hot seat. I always said our caravan would not move off of its hard standing at home this year, but the upturn in the countries fortunes in July/August persuaded me otherwise.
Now, 1 month on, and as predicted by some, we have a totally different situation, and as one of our family has now tested positive we cannot step out of our garden for 2 weeks, but i support this measure along with many others, even if some do appear to have been made on the hoof.
we all need to take responsibility for our actions, and maybe think a bit more positive, afterall, on the ground it may look as though we our the sick country of Europe and because of the anomolies in which information is gathered and colarated is different throughout the EU, indeed the world, some figures suggest this, but take a look at France, Spain, almost bankrupt and millions in the northern half of the country in total lock down, with the army on the streets.
A lot of people do a lot of shouting, but i have seen few ideas being put on the table, beyond what is already being put in place, with the exception of maybe a herd mentality that is now back on the agenda but that will mean locking up all those over 65/70 years of age, and not once have I seen "long covid" being mentioned when herding is being talked about. "long covid" could leave millions in our midst permanently disabled in some way, do we really want this ?
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BBC has a photo of a scientific report that outlines where most cases are emanating from. By far largest driver is pubs and restaurants. Case transmission rates plummet away from these environments.
Personally, I didn’t need a scientific report to indicate to me just how unsafe it was likely to be mixing in such environments, especially with alcohol involved. 🤷♀️
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But then there is another side to the "teacher" isolation as the teachers( I think they are a couple) i speak to when out with Rosa have been working right through since the very start in different schools , one posh private have said that in the county run schools quite a few teachers it seemed were "self isolating?" on full pay
but the private school had minimal teachers doing the same? not on full pay, and with more pupils from ensential workers attending
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+1, Drunks are notoriously sociable people, I can’t imagine folk who are inebriated concentrating on social distancing, quite the contrary in fact🙁
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Personally, I didn’t need a scientific report to indicate to me just how unsafe it was likely to be mixing in such environments, especially with alcohol involved.
And there's me thinking alcohol killed the virus. Have i been drinking all that whisky for nothing?
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Pity Boris did not have this information to hand at PMQT yesterday, when the leader of the opposition was demanding scientific evidence to support the 2200 hrs curfew for pubs etc and now recommending the curfew be extended until 2300 hrs.
Interestingly many of those who are blatantly flouting the rules, e.g. 770 cases in one university are those who we would hope go on to be our future captains of industry etc, pity they cant act more responsibly in our hour of need.
Personally i would copy France and just shut the lot.
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Personally, I didn’t need a scientific report to indicate to me just how unsafe it was likely to be mixing in such environments, especially with alcohol involved
And this is exactly what Boris was trying to tell the leader of the opposition at PMQT when he was trying to defend the 2200 hrs curfew, but dare not say it outright because it would not be PC to even think such things, but unfortunately Keir did not get it
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Shutting all the Uni's now could be a double edged sword. All those infected people being dispersed around the country taking the virus with them may backfire. But maybe now would be better than waiting until Christmas or possibly by Christmas most of the students will have had it, recovered, and be okay because of this so far unproven herd immunity. Who knows? Perhaps Donald will trumpet his advice.
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Actually, I believe the question Starmer was trying to get answered was about what the evidence was that a 2200 curfew was any more effective than a 2300 curfew, especially given the ease with which alcohol can be obtained from any number of outlets 24 hours a day.
Maybe a more effective measure at the moment would be to ban the sale of alcohol unless sat at a table having a meal? It would at least maintain some trade for the hospitality industry.
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Maybe a more effective measure at the moment would be to ban the sale of alcohol unless sat at a table having a meal? It would at least maintain some trade for the hospitality industry.
Is that not the case now? Not sure about the meal though.
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Actually, I believe the question Starmer was trying to get answered was about what the evidence was that a 2200 curfew was any more effective than a 2300 curfew, especially given the ease with which alcohol can be obtained from any number of outlets 24 hours a day.
Exactly M. A sensible question, given that there has been evidence that the ten o clock pour out is just leading to folks heading to the off licenses. Again, not rocket science to see that happening😉
Alcohol only with a meal would be a better option. Leave the p*ssheads to drink at home, until whatever time they want. Will enable some pubs to stay functioning, closing down the ones on the crawl circuit.....
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May be we should go one better, when i worked in Aberdeen a couple of clubs would offer you breakfast and a cab home if you were still standing at 0600 hrs, would stop the current crowds on pavements at chucking out time and the crush on public transport
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Exactly M. A sensible question, given that there has been evidence that the ten o clock pour out is just leading to folks heading to the off licenses. Again, not rocket science to see that happening😉
but , even if you close the off licenses at 2100 hrs, these people would stock pile booze before they went out for the evening, returning home to booze fueled parties in their flats etc.
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Earlier when there was a window of lower infections rates throughout Europe we made the great mistake of following FCO advice and stayed at home to avoid infection rates less than a tenth of those all around us now but next year it will take a lot to keep us at home.
Next year will be different if the virus is under some sort of control across the EU. Insurance companies are already coming to terms with the fact that they are loosing money on overseas insurance and will be offering more comprehensive policies albeit at at premium. But of course we will not have the EHIC card to fall back on
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