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My view is that as this virus is not going to go away soon we can’t stay at home for ever , But , we all have to look at what precautions we can take to minimise the risk to our self’s and others , yes ,we have been away on a club site last month and felt “safe” , before we went we looked at the infection rate in the area that we were visiting and it was less than in the area that we live ,so I decided the the “risk” was worth taking ,we took all the food we needed to minimise trips to the shops and the possibility of catching the virus , I don’t see the point in blaming politicians for doing or not doing this or that , they are going by the advise given to them by people with more knowledge of the virus than them , we have to accept for a few more months things will be different and with taking the right precautions there is no reason why we can’t carry on with life ,with a few exceptions
i have to be careful as my mum has just been diagnosed with thyroid cancer ,I have diabetes and my wife has a low immune system , so I’m not going to be reckless with going out , but I’m not going to hide away
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I don't understand this reference to folk being "scared" - how would anyone know someone else's motivation? Maybe it's a case of awareness and self protection - surely that's not the same thing?
Since the lockdown was lifted we've rented two cottages and been to our static 3 times. We've eaten out several times. But we're aware of possible dangers and take what we consider to be sensible precautions. We wear a mask where it is required in shops and pubs until we sit at our table. We avoid crowded areas and busy shopping centres. We don't wear a mask when driving but have seen several people doing so and don't rush to judge them. Everyone must make their own decision regarding personal safety, but also be aware of how their actions impinge on other, more vulnerable folk - it is surely wrong to suggest that they should limit themselves because of the actions of others?
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Evening
I'd like to pick up on the second word of the thread title "madness". This year for us has been in a way completely mad (loose term). I'll explain. We've had a completely full site of 217 pitches since we opened on 4/7 and was still that way when we left on 23/9. Many many new vanner's, folk that would normally be over there and surprisingly lots of paying customers without a membership. It was very very stressful for the first two or three weeks because we all had a feeling of responsibility beyond what we would normally have. The club have been brilliant with support for us over the season and we got into the mindset that people were responsible for their own welfare and actions. That said I can easily say that (in my opinion)90% of the 45000 people that came through our gate were very conscious of others and proved that you can have a holiday on a big busy site and still stay safe. That applied for us too, the measures the club and us put into place worked extremely well and we had a good working environment. Never had a season like it, proper mad busy like never before but we were all as safe as possible. Not one reported case of c19 at all. Can't be all down to luck?
Nothing's perfect anywhere by a long chalk but I think if you don't feel safe, don't do it. If you do then have some respect for the rest of us.
Cheers
JK
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These numbers are from the ONS
Number of deaths where influenza and pneumonia were the underlying cause of death, 2015 to 2019, England and Wales
Influenza deaths Influenza and pneumonia deaths
2015 284 29885
2016 430 27504
2017 458 27639
2018 1598 29516
2019 1223 26398Five-year average 799 28188
1. Figures include deaths of non-residents.
2. Based on the date a death was registered rather than occurred.
3. The International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Edition (ICD-10) definitions are as follows: Influenza and Pneumonia (J09-J18).2 -
Thanks, Compo, that's interesting👍🏻
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I do wish you'd stop asking me silly questions. Go do your own research.
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Evening Brian,
Not going to attempt going south until maybe January, too many risks in my book. Also trying to do my class one license so I can bring the fifth wheeler back and use it for summer seasons here. In the meantime we'll be working sites (might as well earn a few bob!). We're doing some cover at Grafham Water site for a couple of weeks then November & December we'll be running Cirencester Park. Socially distanced glass of wine Christmas eve anyone?!
JK
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I think your 50,000 is widely inaccurate, and over what time period? I can't find that figure anywhere, perhaps you could post your sources?
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Sadly we have just cancelled our booking for River Breamish. Not prepared to take any risk at all. Had hoped to use our van for the first time this year, but it's not worth the worry.
Never mind the garden is lovely and tidy, a good crop of second earlies is tucked away, the outside tomatoes are still ripening and we have a huge quantity of black grapes ripening well on our Muscat vine outside the house. Lots of DIY still to do, the barby is good and the outside pizza oven ( under cover) is great. The wine cellar has 100+ bottles in it mostly imported direct from some old caravan haunts in Portugal and France.
Happy days!
Look forward one and all, there is much to dream of and plan for next year.
Hope you are all well.
Best wishes,
Peter C.
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Frightened to death in March/April about going anywhere, but gradually came around to the view that life must go on. Once I’d shifted my mindset a kind of normality returned. Since May I’ve done quite a few trips and now on the final leg of a 30 day, 2000 mile Cornwall to Scotland trip with about 15 CCC, CMC and commercial sites - most of them full. Scotland is amazing, I kid you not that almost every other vehicle on the road in the highlands is a motorhome. Great trip, probably wouldn’t have done it without CV19, so that’s a silver lining.
I agree with your assessment, most folks and sites, with very few exceptions, are very safe as long as as individuals take responsibility for doing their bit (most do) including engaging brain about places not to visit - there are plenty of them. We’ve done plenty of walking and on most days don’t see another soul. Risks increase at the weekends when families and young groups meet up on sites (avoiding restrictions?), so more care required at that time.
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You could look at the ONS? I suspect they might be more accurate?
Or the flu reports from the GOV.UK website.
Are you suggesting the ministers are lying about flu statistics?
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Surely the difference between the (historic) flu statistics being mentioned and the current situation is that of travel, mobility and social (or maybe anti social) behaviour.
In pre flu vaccine days it was less easy to travel here and there (much less overseas) at the drop of a hat and the sort of mass gatherings we have seen lately was unheard of. Thus lessening the need for a lockdown, even if that might have greatly reduced the death figures.
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