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The issue of holiday makers from hot spots coming to our area is much more widespread. It was debated in the Senedd today. The First Minister has written to Boris asking him to put in place measures to stop travel into Wales from such areas. If no reply the assembly are likely to take their own measures. Beware if you are planning visits. Now seems the virus is out of control countrywide.
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You seem to forget it works both ways, Fish, and Wales has some scorching hot spots as well. Glass houses/stones, eh?
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We were due to travel to Harrogate on Saturday to a cottage for a week. Due to the announcements today by the First Minister we can no longer do so yet someone from nearby Leeds can travel to our area without a problem. Does that seem logical or even fair?
Quite happy to comply but it is definitely a Disunited Kingdom or at least a Disjointed one.
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In certain areas HD there is a larger percentage of the population that are either from the BAME community and /or there is far more older style housing such as terraces where people come into contact with one another on a more frequent basis. Look at Leicester, big BAME community, Blackburn and Nelson, the same.
These households do tend on average to have higher numbers of people living in them as it is more common to look after the elderly of the family, so 3 or 4 generations can be sharing the same house.
It's not just BAME but people in these old mill towns do tend to live there most or all of their lives and socialise more than in the south. Not trying to talk about a north/south divide or whether people are more friendly etc. but just trying to shed some idea on why it is happening in certain areas.
I believe that some the outbreaks that have occurred in the Wearside and Tyneside areas came about due to a travelling Bingo company going into various working mens clubs or Institutes as some of them are know as and once again these places are just like your local Pubs.
This is just a generalisation and obviously there are multiple other factors involved.
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What has he actually said, WN. There was nothing on the national news about a travel ban from the north of Wales, or for people entering the area. Such a pity if you've to cancel the trip as I know you all were looking forward to going.
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Why do you want the England and Boris to say what can happen in your Wales?
Surely you should want to decide that for yourselves?
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He has said that Flintshire, Wrexham, Conwy and Denbighshire are only allowed to make "essential Trips", these being defined as Work, Shopping or Medical reasons, as far as I can make out.
He has specifically stated that trips for holidays are not essential. We are not allowed to travel outside of our area, so I couldn't visit neighbouring Denbighshire unless it was for one of those essential specifics.
He cannot stop visitors from outside of Wales from entering those areas. He doesn't have that mandate so he has written to BJ asking him to prevent people from those areas that are in lockdown mode travelling for a holiday or non essential reason. As I said it doesn't seem logical or fair.
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See my response to Nellie. He doesn't want England and Boris making decisions that concern Wales, although some decisions have to made that way due to way devolution works. He can't put up border controls for example as that remit falls outside of his control. Border controls are for central government.
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National ( UK) government takes precedent. We in Wales who are in lockdown areas cant move out of them. However those in the hot spots in England can legally come into Wales. or anywhere else in the UK. How does that make any sense. Just look at the press pictures of the crowds on Snowdon on Sunday and you can see the problem. Social distancing/common sense just went out of the window. See how it affected Wherenext. Is that crazy or not?
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Confused? Well, even Boris and one of his top ministers can't give a correct and definitive answer to a straight question about the regulations (in the North East). So what chance have us lesser mortals? You really couldn't make it up - totally inept!
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How about sticking the van on a CL in Cheshire tomorrow for 10 days or so, with OH "self isolating" in it. Then on Saturday head off there with MIL to deliver essential supplies....you way is then open to go to the cottage. Have your week there and collect the van on the way back to home.....Well it's an idea😉😁
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I believe the Welsh folk that Fish was telling us about a while ago were making it obvious that outsiders were not welcome, do it again👍🏻. Don’t wait for politicians to sit & talk things thru🤷🏻♂️. It’ll be a long wait☹️.
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Thanks Nellie but we're too honest for that, or at least the 2 ladies are!
Anyway Mrs WN has an appointment at the doctors on Thursday afternoon so not even practical.
As MiL said "Worse things happen at sea" so she is philosophical about it. She was looking forward to a trip to Bettys though. Means I'll have to be extra nice.
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Bit difficult that one for us Rocky as we have to travel to England soon for medical reasons and will coming back into Wales with an English registered car! Might have to get the Welsh Dragon flags out, just like they do for these football tournaments and stick them on the windows.
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Best not to try to find a way around local regulations?
We here, for several weeks now, have not been allowed to visit our family indoors at all, though outdoors was OK. We are however allowed to provide childcare.
So, on our days for looking after Callum, we go there, I work in the garage in the mornings, OH keeps distant from DD, who works from home, and does stuff like washing dishes and clothes. Afternoons we collect Callum and look after him.
Fridays, I go there too, do the usual, but DD has the afternoon off so we work outside in the garage. OH mostly stays home on Fridays, unless she has to bring shopping for DD.
Saturday to Tuesday we are not supposed to be there as not our turn with Callum, much as DD would like me to be there to do stuff, so we stay home.
Does not get the work done, but does comply with the rules.
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Bettys do online!
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The whole system of all the nations is a cobbled together hotchpotch of ill thought out idiocy☹️
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The Asian countries seem to be coping better, some countries are in denial of covid completely it seems🤷🏻♂️☹️
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Someone hit the nail on the head- Too many people looking for ways to stretch or overcome the restrictions. No wonder we the public let alone the Government are in a mess. This virus is indiscriminate. It kills and will continue to do so unless we ALL take our responsibilities seriously.
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It wasn’t that long ago our Govt adjusted our way of collating the numbers, it was after believing we were over estimating🤷🏻♂️. It happens all of the time all over the world🤷🏻♂️
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Does it really matter in the big scheme of things?🤔, it doesn’t help or hurt us, the lives lost will not be gifted back. It is what it is.
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