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We carry wipes, hand gel etc with us in the car and in the Motorhome but I agree with those who feel the club should have provided more, after all we are paying for a service.
We use a private site regularly and they have hand sanitizer pumps at the fresh water taps, the bin areas, the waste disposal, and on the walls outside the toilet blocks, and all for £18 a night. The only club site we have stayed at where there was a pump at the bin area was Thursaston.
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Even before all this present situation I would always wash my hands after using any service point when returning to the caravan. I think the same applies now?
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I think there should be some provision at service points, and before entering the facilities block or the office.
After using the service point, I would be touching various handles on the van or equipment before being able to wash my hands in the van.
We have just re-opened our Guide Hall and we have sanitiser at entrance and exit, sanitiser in each of the 2 halls, and handwash in bathroom and utility room. We have also provided cleaning wipes, cleaning sprays, disposable gloves, paper towels, even disposable aprons and masks for emergencies.
We will also have Increased daily cleaning as gradually increasing use is made of the building. We are a registered charity with a low income, our weekly cleaning costs will go from the previous £35 to an eventual £180.
If we can do it, surely a big organisation like CAMC can afford it!
Hand sanitiser costs £6 per litre, or less if bought in large quantities. A little goes a long way.
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We've been on various sites this year and they have all had some form of sanitation in place.
The 2 clubs have hand sanitisers on the walls as you enter the facilities, both men and women, also at the sink wash, some have them at the chemi emptying point.
The C&CC sites we've been on, the staff have come round and sanitised the water taps several times a day.
Despite all this we have used disposable gloves when using the water points and chemi point. A hand sanitiser sits on the shelf just inside the door of the caravan and I always carry a small one in my handbag for when we are out and about. We have wipes for the shopping on return and every so often I wipe down the handles of the car and caravan doors.
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KJ, as I posted above the CAMC sites we have been on did have sanitiser on the wall at reception and at the facilities block.
The 4 CL's we've been on ALL had hand sanitisers at the service points.
The C&CC receptions are closed but they do have them on the walls outside the facilities and they come round several times a day to spray and wipe the water taps.
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Self sufficiency removes all the wondering and angst. We have tiny 25ml bottles of hand gel we take with us everywhere. I refill these on a regular basis from a larger bottle. It’s become a way of life now. If some places provide, thank you, if some don’t, we don’t worry. It’s like making sure we have masks in car just in case, on bikes just in case, out with us on a walk just in case, Etc.....
My OH has sourced a couple of cheap but very good little gizmos that allow you to open gates/doors without direct contact, and to use for punching in bank codes on machines where we don’t use Apple Pay. Key ring sized but oh so useful, plastic so easily cleaned periodically.
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Ttda, should you lose or forget your 'gizmo' you could just use a 6" nail or even one of those things you might have on a ring err err oh yes that's it ~~ a key
or even a stylus, such as you might use on your mobile fone keyboardNo Brian's not playing silly soldiers, Ttda honest ~ just a suggestion for those without access to those gizmo-thingies
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Yes thanks AB! We have devised all sorts of ideas for pressing buttons, but it’s the little door opening pull that’s good😁 Surprising how dexterous you become in time using elbows as well. There’s a whole mini industry gaining ground around C19 needs, lots of institutions such as EH and NT themed masks, and online websites are pushing all sorts of stuff. You need a mask on to stop all the gagging and spluttering from the fumes of hand sanitizers😂
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As some post neither of the major clubs seem to have sanitisers on the service points although it seems some Cls do but then If they have toilet facilities ,how many sanitizser would be need on a CL with max 5 vans compared to both clubs sites?
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It’s not something I worry around to be honest JV, who is or isn’t providing. If you go into a supermarket of any size, far less folks sanitise their basket/trolley than do, so just providing something doesn’t mean folks will use it. It’s an individual responsibility as far as I am concerned. Folks look after themselves (or not) in different ways. Some take decisions we wouldn’t, some might consider our response to aspects OTT, but we do what is best for us.
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Not sure about using my elbows Ttda but somewhere in the past couple of months I have seen a door opening system for sprung doors which have a floor level system to avoid folks having to keep handle -- wiping ! Just apply a toe end to the lever and the door swings open -- so one could even avoid having to juggle your shopping -- just tread on the "footle"
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I wasn’t suggesting that they necessarily should, David. As I said, we have sanitiser and gloves/masks in the car, van and awning and use them appropriately. The point I was trying to make was that the owners of the 4 CLs and CSs we had previously been on had obviously gone to considerable trouble (and expense) to provide such at service points etc but that here, the Club hadn’t bothered - and I thought they would have been setting a higher standard. I just wondered exactly what they had had to do to earn the “Covid Secure” label.
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I suspect the Club would have done a Risk Assessment regarding providing the provision of sanitiser at service points? They clearly decided that there was not a convincing case, or need, for such provision? It's unlikely that CL/CS's have done the same level of Risk Assessment and probably thought everything is covered if they provide it? A sort of belt and braces approach? What I am not sure of is the Club's cleaning regime around service points. Perhaps they feel that regular cleaning of the service points negates the requirement for sanitiser?
David
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It’s simply the same issue as loo cleaning. No matter how many times something is cleaned, it only takes one person seconds to undo all the good work, until the next cleaning period is due. 🤷♀️ Shared facilities, multiple individuals using, never a hygienic situation, despite best efforts.
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My thoughts too TTDA, which is why I am very surprised that they have not provided sanitiser at the service points. Especially as I would think there is increased use of service points with more people using own facilities.
As long as there is provision, the Club has done all it can, it is up to people to use what is provided to safeguard themselves. Or use their own if they prefer.
The extra cost would be insignificant in the overall budget.
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To be honest K, I tend to think a little bit the other way. Not providing something might just teach folks to do the right thing and think for themselves, rather than it being someone else’s remit. I know NT have tried this with litter bins, working on basis of getting people to take litter home.
Doesn’t work with everyone of course, but such folks are beyond help anyway I find. It’s part of the current issue with rising cases at the moment, some aren’t self isolating, some aren’t adhering to social distancing, some seem to think it won’t kill me so why bother, some think I haven’t long left so again, why bother, some are quite frankly so dim they believe conspiracy theories and quack advice will save them. Personal gratification v community safety. If this took the thick and stupidly selfish there would be some justice, but sadly it doesn’t.☹️
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People watching can be very informative. I read Desmond Morris’s book Manwatching as a teenager, which looks at societies across the globe, how they interact as a population and as individuals, and mentions some of the huge differences in different countries. The last 40 years in this country has seen immense changes in attitudes, tolerance, relationships and family structures, alongside employment and economic changes, and how motivation and aspirations have altered. Some changes good, some not so good.......
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A CL that we have just been to in Dorset had hand sanitiser at the water tap, the WC disposal point, each and every EHU and by the waste bins. They also had signage requesting that visitors used it. The CL has a toilet and shower but for this year the owners have kept them locked and not available to visitors. They really couldn't have done much more to try to help stop the spread of Covid-19 whilst still keeping the CL open.
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This is what I would expect, or possibly a bit more than I would expect, given the recommendations, which is why I am surprised at the slightly less generous provision by the Club.
With our Guide Hall, the children will come straight in to their allocated hall ( we have 2 halls) without touching anything, so we put sanitiser at the entrance to each hall, but one of our management committee pointed out that the recommendation was for sanitiser at entrance and exit to the building, so we have done that too.
I have made 2 holders to fix to the wall outside the entrance and exit doors, and a pump bottle of sanitiser is placed there before each meeting. Very much a "covering ourselves" exercise as most just walk straight in. But covering all bases seems to be essential these days.
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Thanks WN. Apologies for the late reaction, I haven't been on CT again until now, but wanted to acknowledge your post nevertheless.
We came home yesterday, but really liked the area, so a return visit is definitely on the agenda, here's hoping!
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InaD, not sure if you use CLs, but you might want to look at College Farm, in Alkborough, a gorgeous quiet little village set where the Trent meets the Humber. Quiet, fabulous for birds and wildlife (we saw our first ever bitterns and spoonbill staying here). HS pitches, lovely farm cafe adjacent (but away from pitches, so very quiet). Easy access to Humber Bridge, Lincoln, Etc.... Cycling is wonderful from here, and walking.
The area was our first run out for a lockdown day trip with our MH, we saw around a dozen folks all day.
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I'm guessing then that not many here will agree with this professor....
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I do think we have to learn to live with the presence of the virus. After all they had too with the plague. Allegedly we are more sophisticated theses days 😱 with technology and communication 🤞
We need to learn from other countries, such as Spain and France who are a few weeks ahead of us when things they put in place don't work and try something else rather than follow like sheep. And develop/buy a world class track and trace plus testing and getting results ASAP
.I'm already feeling down at the thought of being confined to barracks until March with the shorter/colder/dismal days 😪. That doesn't mean I'll disobey guidance but I feel we need to take responsibility for ourselves and be considerate to others....... oh yes I'll just come back to the real world 🌎
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Some might agree with his "utter chaos! comment
The view expressed in that article is not new and different scientists have different approaches to how we should deal with it. I suspect the problem is the political angle as oppose to the scientific. If we were to "learn to live with the virus" , especially without a more robust testing regime in place, it would certainly mean that more people would die which is where the political angle comes in. I imagine the Government is being judged by the death rate beyond all else. This is despite the fact that COVID has just hastened death of many of those that died either by just months or at best a year or two. Then you have the cohort that includes the like of Margaret and I, and probably many who enjoy our hobby. Because of our age and medical conditions we are more at risk despite being perfectly able to live our lives without the support of others, at least at the moment. If you let COVID have free range how many of us would survive? I am sure there is a way that the virus could be more effectively managed. We need to be in the position where we can test everyone at least once a month. That way the false positive of the dead virus fragments would work their way through the system. What we really need is a mass anti gen testing to establish who has had the virus which then narrows done the number potentially left at risk. The unfortunate truth is that until we get a reliable vaccine the risk, however its managed, will remain.
David
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"We need to learn from other countries, such as Spain and France who are a few weeks ahead of us when things they put in place don't work and try something else rather than follow like sheep. And develop/buy a world class track and trace plus testing and getting results ASAP ."
Agree 100% - and we as a country (those in charge, at least) need to acknowledge where things which could easily be put in place aren't. Mrs M was chatting (via zoom) to some fellow members of her choir last night. They were just back from a fortnight in Madeira. On arrival there they were tested and instructed to go direct to their apartment and not leave until they had the results of the test confirmed. On the 2nd day they were given the all clear. On arrival back at Bristol .... they were simply waved through with no kind of check or questioning whatsoever! And yes, I know Madeira is currently anyway on the government's "safe" list, but one might have thought there would be some sort of check in place.
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