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Afternoon
Thing is ray any vendor can choose what method of payment they accept, it's not a legal requirement to take cash.
A good while ago the method of payment was discussed in club site wardens shops and I was then pretty adamant about cash only. Now, if we get through this period unscathed we will be looking to rent a card machine and it will be strictly card only. I hope our sites go the same way too, no more trudging to the bank with bags of dirty money!!
JK
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most of the supermarkets around here have done away with the need for 'coins/tabs' to unlock trollies.
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A good while ago the method of payment was discussed in club site wardens shops and I was then pretty adamant about cash only. Now, if we get through this period unscathed we will be looking to rent a card machine and it will be strictly card only. I hope our sites go the same way too, no more trudging to the bank with bags of dirty money!!
JK
I shall take that as vindication as I seem to recall being shot down in flames when I suggested that wardens should have a cashless method of payment for goods they sell, particularly for the more expensive items they sell like Gas, Toilet Chemicals and Ice Cream
David
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With smaller sites ,and the minimal amount that wardens,make out of the goods they sell ,it is not economical to have card payment facility, as it is not the club who have to stock the "shops" it all comes out of the wardens own pocket, gas and toilet chemicals included
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I reckon JK has taken that into account with his thinking, JV. He'll know better than most of the economic viability.👍🏻
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As I have probably pointed out before the infrastructure is already in place on every Club site to accept card payments. All it would require, if acceptable to both Club and Wardens, would be for the Point of Sale facility to be adapted to allow warden sales to use the system. Whilst Initially it would all go into the Club "pot" it would be easy enough to set up a means of transferring the miscellaneous sales values back to the wardens account less any transaction fees which would possibly be less than wardens setting up their own systems.
David
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I thought it was a good idea when younger to play 'dirty', the thinking was it made you immune to a lot of 'things going around'. Does the future mean isolating ourselves in a virtual sterile bubble making us less immune to whatever is out there? Will social distancing be implanted into our way of thinking from now on, along with a 'touchy' attitude to people and material things. Will it ever be possible to ever go back to what was normal?
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We've only had a few weeks of this and I'm pretty sure that old instincts will take over as soon as is feasibly possible.
We bought somebody some food yesterday and the old lady wanted to give my wife a hug to say thanks. Those things are natural and sooner, preferably a bit later, these actions will return.
Until such times as a vaccine is developed though we'll keep a safe distance and forego the hugs.
Might be interesting to return to this subject in 18 months or so and see how we all have changed our habits.
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I work on the basis that where there is a Will, there is a Way!
Now I do recognise it might not be as simple as that. Perhaps there is a complication over something like VAT. Perhaps it's a complication over tax. However if the Club recognise that Wardens provide provide a very useful service to members by what they sell in Reception they could work together to provide a solution. If that is not through the Club's point of sale system it might be by an arrangement whereby the club provide card terminals via their supplier which should reduce the cost compared to wardens having to set up from scratch. I am pretty sure that there are an increasing number of companies offering lower cost card terminals, often via mobile phone apps. For example when I have my haircut ( in normal times!) I can pay by card should I wish by scanning my card against his phone. One of the frailties that COVID 19 has exposed is that to reduce the possibility of infection we need to look at all manner of things that in the past we have just taken for granted. Why not turn that to our advantage and look at different ways of doing things?
David
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I take it that for the app, when loaded onto ones smart phone, for it to be of any use the phone must be connected to a WiFi signal, be it from the phone signal provider or an external source. The contract that we have on our smart phone only carries a very small WiFi allowance so the wifi only switched on when we wish to look something up, and not continually. Hence the app would not be of any use trying to trace our contacts.
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I don't think it needs the 4G except to check against the database to see if you had been close to anyone who later tests positive. The actual proximity information is gained using the phones Bluetooth. Once the phone locks on to your home wifi, it will be able to do its checking then. If it always needed a 4G signal it wouldn't work where there wasn't one. Obviously not possible once away in the van. However, unfortunately I don't think you need to be concerned about that for some time. Although even if it turns out it needs 4G switched on, I would think it worthwhile to increase your allowance for the benifit it could bring.
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I don't have Bluetooth turned on but I just tried and it tells me to "tick this box to make visible to other devices". Presumably if I download this app (if and when it's available) I will have to do this and keep it (bluetooth) on permanently?
(Sorry if that's a dumb question but it's coming from someone who, until recently had to phone home and then do 1471 to remind himself what his mobile number was!
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Some of you know the chain of a dozen shops across Cornwall and Devon in the Whistlefish company - they sell good quality locally produced greetings cards and artistic things - or did before the shops were closed. As banks began closing branches in the area those shops stopped accepting cash two years ago and all purchases in the shops moved over to card payments only. Of course Club sites and wardens could do that too.
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I think you're right, Steve, and Bluetooth doesn’t rely on an internet connection. My Fitbit is B/T enabled but does not connect to either Wi-fi or 4G. Similarly, B/T loudspeakers have no internet facility.
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That’s the box needed for hotspot tethering/connecting wirelessly, M. Please don’t ask me for details 😂😂😂😂
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Steve, like M, our Bluetooth is switched off permanently, as are all other application we don't use, as the battery drains too quickly otherwise. We don't have phone WiF either, but use a dongle to tether to our WiFi provider, as we can take this wherever we go in the caravan. We use iPods and kindles to view emails, watch films and even write on here.
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I assume so. Although visible to other devices, they can't link unless you give them permission. The App as far as I know runs in the background, the Bluetooth just detecting the presence of other phones running it. I think it's only supposed to wake up momentarily to record the contact and then go back to sleep. Thus avoiding excessive battery drain.
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Does your phone not lock onto your home WiFi when at home. Mine goes onto 4G as we move away from the house and goes automatically back onto it when we return. I think this App will be particularly useful in the period before we are allowed out and about on campsites and may help to pave the way. As to battery drain I think the App will run in the background, only waking to record contacts. You would just have to check any Bluetooth connectivity was turned off for any other Apps you might be using.
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Sorry Steve, my response above should have read "Don't have home WiFi" bad we only switch on the dongle when we are going to use it. The phone will link into it I switch on the phone's WiFi but we generally leave it switched off. Can't do with the intermittent pinging of incoming emails etc.
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You have a contract with ???Gb of data, you only use that data when you connect the the web via your 4G signal but if you connect via someone's WiFi ( eg a pub's or a supermarket's or at home) you can stay connected for forever & a day & not use any of your data allowance.
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That’s sort of what I meant, sort of, almost.
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I was initially puzzled how the App would work when they mentioned it would use Bluetooth. Bluetooth only connects with other Bluetooth devices. For example if I wish to use the hands free phone system in my car I have to pair my phone with the car and it will download all my phone numbers, on my phone to the car. You can also use it to play music via the headset in the car. Having been puzzled I think the idea is that once you have the App installed on your phone and downloaded with your COVID status it works by alerting nearby phones (within bluetooth range) of that status. So for arguments sake if your status says that you have signs of the virus it will alert others around you of that fact. It won't identify you but it is just a warning that anyone who gets that notification has been near someone with the virus and might have to take precautions. That is my, probably misinformed, understanding on how it will work. I am not sure how Bluetooth would have a major impact on your battery. My phone, plus all its possible connections is on all the time and at home I only need to charge it every 2 to 3 days and then its still 60% charged before I start.
David
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