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No way ! That wouldn't go for me. I go away to see places and do things.
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Don't forget, it's not just about keeping ourselves safe but also about others. Our movements around the country inevitably bring us into contact with other people no matter how much we may think we will keep to ourselves. Transmission is a two way thing and respect for ourselves and others is why we won't be going away for a long time yet.
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A statistic l have just read, the worse death rate from influenza was 26000 over a winter period, how many this year would have died and do they take that in to account or are they just added to the coivid19 virus statistic. l am for staying lockdown till the 7th of May as that's what the government decrees but after that l feel we need to start to get back to normality. Don't give me any rubbish that it won't be achieved, after all it did in the 1900's. We will have to accept that we will have to live with quite a few deaths until a vaccine is available. What l have seen when l have been out is that people are social distancing themselves, their will always be the pond life as l call them that won't take heed. As soon has we are allowed to travel then l will be off to help the holiday counties that need their businesses to start up again
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I understand your point of view but we have already been told the lifting of restriction will be a gradual process, therefore you driving to a holiday destination and seeing all the tourist businesses open is a long, long way off. IMHO
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By the 7th May the death and infection rate will be nowhere near low enough to start considering any form of movement round the country. Before that can even be considered they must reduce significantly, which will take at least another month and a robust form of contact tracing must be put in place. Unfortunately that won't be helped by the civil liberties types who are already up in arms. Do they really think that if you carry a smart phone that you couldn't be tracked if the authorities wanted to. The sooner they get the App up and running the better in my opinion.
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The problem is that it will only work with people who want to cooperate; otherwise all you need to do is leave your phone at home when you flout the rules.
Or have I misunderstood the concept?
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No, you are correct you do need to carry the phone. However, the App isn't about tracking folk to check if they are flouting the rules, it tracks your position via GPS and Bluetooth in relation to others. If you are in close proximity to someone who later contracts the virus you can be contacted and told to self isolate. Unless we use this along with human contact tracing and continued social distancing, I fear we will almost certainly have another peak and many more people will die.
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And what was the UK population when spanish flue struck? compared to now , IMHO do not expect any lifting of the lock down that will allow any hospitallity venues like camp sites to be part of any easing until much later this year if at all
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Heethers, if you really think the country is going to suddenly open up to you on 8 May, or whenever, you need to take a reality check. Look at what others are telling you, I don't need to repeat it and it is not rubbish. Don't be surprised either if the holiday counties don't welcome you with open arms.
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and it is just this sort of mentality that helped spread the virus in the first place all over Europe, people flocking to their holiday homes on the coast or taking their holiday homes with them to the coast
AS WELL AS THE VIRUS
if you think on the 7th of May that all this will just simply melt away, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land
I have a lot of sympathy for people who run businesses in our key holiday resorts, and i am sure many live on a month to month basis, so remaining shut for many months will inevitable lead to the loss of some businesses, but better to be alive, and hope you can salvage something at the end of the day, and i am sure many will.
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I really believe that normality, as in what life was like just before all this started, will take a very long time to achieve There may be some (slow) progressive easing of lockdown restrictions but being able to wander into Sainbury's at will, or go for a meal, or away with our outfits is sadly a long way off.
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I'm also in the camp of its going to take a long time yet, before things get back to a more normal way of life.
However the day will come IMO when we will just have to 'GO' for it, yes there will be more deaths and yes the rates of infection will rise but we cannot maintain this current stage of lockdown indefinitely.
The signs are that it will be lifted a bit at a time to judge how we are doing and then one day 'Bang' off we go and life will continue.
Countries such as Spain have already said that when they relax the no movements around the country, that will only be to Spanish residents, they are looking at October, November or December before opening it to other Nationals.
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the 'new normal' might be a bit different to what we have known, but there will be easing of restrictions at a slow rate...a key element will be that they are reversible if things dont go to plan.
As TG says, Spain is just starting to change things with children being allowed out (briefly) for the first rime in ages and stating a 'potential plan' for how tourism (their lifeblood) can be slowly managed back in.
with the effect of any change taking a while to filter back into the 'statistics/modelling' it will obviously take a long elapsed time for a number of (even small) changes to be introduced and, most importantly, measured.
however, we will overcome and we will return to some sort of normality and measures from other countries making changes ahead of the UK will all help with the decision making process.
im sure there will be umpteen iterations of 'the plan' and the plan will surely change dynamically as the effects are know and, more importantly, understood.
as ever, up to now the message is clear....dont lose what weve worked hard to earn.
even if the spread were to stop tomorrow, there will be many more deaths, as even now there are many active cases of which a proportion will end the wrong way.
keep safe all.
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"l am for staying lockdown till the 7th of May as that's what the government decrees but after that l feel we need to start to get back to normality."
With respect, that's about the only part of your post I agree with - but getting back to (some sort of) normality will certainly not include allowing folk to swan off on holiday. There may be minimal changes to the lockdown at the next review but there's little chance of any major change then because 3 weeks from that covers the late May BH and the government are certainly not going to risk a mad scramble then. Some restrictions may be lifted at the following review (May 28th?), but again, I doubt it will include opening up holiday sites. We'd love to get away and we will do whenever we're told it's possible - I just wish the government would take us into their confidence about future plans (just my opinion as mentioned before, I know many disagree!
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You could be ruining more that is Scottish than just a good song .
Oh , Navigateur, please don't think so little of yours truly
, I did use the phrase :-- when this virus is over, and that is what I meant ! I have no intention of making excuses for scampering round the UK before the PTB have said it is safe so to do, I would not even wish to pass Covid 19 onto the midgie beasties on the shores of Loch Naver and serpently not onto other Club Site Users, Honest 0 -
However the day will come IMO when we will just have to 'GO' for it, yes there will be more deaths and yes the rates of infection will rise but we cannot maintain this current stage of lockdown indefinitely.
and this is what they did in Singapore, and they are now very much regretting it
they are now in the grips of a second wave, which looks to be much worse than the first one they encounteredSouth Korea seems to be the role model at present, but after they were hit with the SAR's virus they learnt their lesson and were more than prepared for covid-19, and you have little choice but as a citizen to be tracked on your every move, unlike in the UK where we already have people complaining re privacy re the governments plan to introduce a tracking app.
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Where is the life that late I led?
Where is it now? Totally dead.
Where is the fun I used to find?
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Where this idea has been in use in the far east you are forced to have a smart phone with the tracking application by having to produce it when stopped by police, to buy in a shop or food outlet, travel on public transport, and many other activities. No app = no service.
People forget that the first civil liberty is to not be harmed by others actions.
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If this app is to be based on bluetooth, I think the range is quite a bit more than a couple of metres, so is our contact bubble around us going to draw in more contacts than is actually required? I don't know. I think one of the concerns is the battery drain that this app is going to consume. I like to think that cleverer people than me are sorting out all the issues relating to the containment and eradication of this virus but based on the original decisions, I'm not entirely convinced.
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Information from the Apple / Google frequently asked questions about this technology. It would seem it records signal strengths of the Bluetooth and how long the contact lasted. It doesn't say if the strength is converted to a distance.
If a user is notified through their app that they have come into contact with an individual who is positive for COVID-19 then the system will share the day the contact occurred, how long it lasted and the Bluetooth signal strength of that contact. Any other information about the contact will not be shared.
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I see the Govt has now rejected the Apple/Google app in favour of a system developed by GCGQ. As far as I can tell, it seems to run in the background and uses Bluetooth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52441428
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