How do we proceed July onwards
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I think this is part of the problem BB. It’s the density in the cities that’s feeding the high infection rates. London is a classic case, millions all crammed into quite a small area, all sharing transport infrastructures, working in close proximity, all those high rise buildings, super busy tourist attractions, then there’s all the house shares, overcrowded family homes. It would take some serious lockdown and curfew measures to control it properly, including a ring around the main routes out to other areas, and the kind of quarantine measures that heddlo relates about Macau.
This country’s population wouldn’t stand for that, compared with other places, ours has hardly been a lockdown. We don’t have the political will, or the policing infrastructure to be able to do it, even if we would tolerate it. Too little, much too slow. And woefully underprepared and underfunded for such a scenario. ☹️
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I don't see, even with Boris back in the driving seat, how a more intense lockdown would now be conceivable. It should have been stricter in the first place, and put in place earlier. Decisions, such as the one allowing the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead now look highly questionable to put it mildly.
But we are where we are - time to look forward rather than back. The time for analysing such decisions will be when the crisis abates.
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What ministers have said at those briefings and what actually transpires are often, shall we say, not entirely in step!
Can you actually see this government saying "we got it wrong, but now we're going to get really, really strict with you"? Because I certainly can't see that happening.
BTW, I don't think I'd agree that there's any "holier than thou" on the forum, just folk expressing opinions and commenting on what's been going on.
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Dominic Rabb said this morning as the other countries ministers also were admitting it has been steep learning and at times still is,( although as Germany "i think we were very lucky"),every one is still learning,and mistake have been made (even Nicola admitted as much
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Yes sister and BinL in Orange have to fill in a form for every excursion to the shops. This was right from when President M announced the lockdown. They can't go together either.
In effect the lockdown has already started to lift. Initially it was more complete because firms like B&Q shut down, together with building sites, although they didn't have to if they maintained social distancing. Now they are opening up, it is resulting in lots more journeys. Some essential, to get to work. Others for DIY and gardening supplies often not so. Not that I have any intention of going near a B&Q until the novelty wears off. The queues on TV coverage look worse than the Supermarkets and the 2 metres didn't look like it was being observed. It may well demonstrate what will happen when camp sites are opened again.
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This an interesting site where up to date news appears daily.
It's the Eurppean Centre for Disease Prevention and Control
I can't think that the title of this thread will have much bearing as so many countries are affected and it's going to be a long term solution.
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We are thankful that we hadn't got as far as ordering our hoped for replacement caravan as we would not enjoy looking at it while unable to enjoy using it.
I keep wondering if travel, not least with a van, will ever be the same. We have not used club sites for more than thirty years and only use CL sites in the UK. Back in the 1980's we enjoyed club sites as frequently we found ourselves enjoying perhaps twenty acres of space with sometimes less than a dozen caravans. I imagine it was busier in July and August but we never tried the busy weeks so I don't know. Is social distancing going to become a fact of life for many years to come? If so, will club sites have to go down to say 25% of their current capacity? Should that happen then financial viability would be in question.
For the last several years almost all our travel has been in the most remote rural areas of S.W. France in September and October. On our last trip we enjoyed a 100 acre site and there was only one other couple on the site apart from ourselves. What will become of sites such as these in the years to come?
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Interesting that a number of large business, building firms, car industry, railway operators etc seem to have been given the nod to prepare for some relaxing of the lockdown measures although social distancing must remain for a long while yet.
Perhaps an announcement is imminent!
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I am fond of walking and do so everyday. The last time I checked I was also "living amongst us".
Stop using this ambiguous term and insulting ordinary folk. If you mean the section of the population that refuse to adhere to the guidelines then just say so. I call them Selfish Idiots.
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I don't see, even with Boris back in the driving seat, how a more intense lockdown would now be conceivable
It is well known that Johnson is very Liberal in his overall view so I can't agree with the term "Even with Boris back". He was reluctant to instigate any lockdown procedure.He will be reluctant to call up the troops but it may need that.
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We're finding the same BB. People out walking either singularly or in twos seem so much more polite than they used to be, be they young or old, but we've noticed groups of cyclists trundling along as if there was no virus out there and we've made our views known to a neighbour who has their grown 30yo adults around to stay the night.
We're not used to seeing the Police force as a whole used to enforce restrictions of our liberty and very rarely see the armed forces on the streets. Other European countries have accepted them more easily than we would but there are a minority that can't be trusted at all in this country and I personally wouldn't baulk at more enforcement presence on the streets if that then means we bring deaths down. These deaths will have loved ones who are going to miss them and it makes me angry to see such selfish attitudes from the folks that are putting other lives at risk.
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They say on their web site to use data with caution due to retrospective additions etc. I think that's a reasonable way to look at the figures until much later when everything can be gone through in a systematic way. Same for all the charts on other more reputable reporting sites.
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Moulesy. An article in the business section in the telegraph on line by Alan Tovey, industrial editor, on 23 April, mostly about the car industry.
Main source article on 21 April on the traffic light system strategy proposed to the government by two leading UCL economists to ease out of the lockdown. Also proposed that there should be at least two critical technical components, enhanced testing and using technology to improve tracking and tracing. There has been a recent flurry of activity by the government in these areas.
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and because of them i can see a more intense lock down rather than a slow release from it 
