CAMC 10amp Electric?
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of course its not nonsense....nor ridiculous...
what an insulting post to Kjell (and his OH who no doubt works hard to 'make things happen' in her domain.
im sorry Corners but you seem to live in a world where ANY comparison to ANYTHING not Club is nonsense...this is just not true.
time and again folk relate real experiences in support of a debate yet your considered response is usually 'not relevant'....despite having a fairly myopic view of caravanning....
there is a world out there, domestic, small commmercial and large commercial where deals are done and processes driven in a very similar fashion, its just the scale thats different.
having worked with contracts (and process development/improvement) for a £1.5 bn t/o business i have some idea about what happens....
as ever when there is a whiff of Club criticism in the air, you are determined to rubbish every other poster, so tell us, how did your last renegotiation for a dozen HB pencils (and rubbers) go before you retired?
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The Club needs to offer more choice, like C&CC do, Forestry Commission do, and a large percentage of private sites do. They should consider more non hook up pitches (and not some scrubby afterthought pitch located in the back of beyond as most are now!), some basic hook up at 10amps, and then some all singing all dancing pitches for those that want them. And make the difference in pitch price reflect this, not just a couple of £ difference. We would happily make more use of Club Sites if this was the case, no hook up in Summer, and 10amps in Winter. That way folks are paying for what they want and need, rather than forking out for what they don’t. They might attract more overnight tourers that way, those who just want a pitch to sleep on overnight. Not something we do at over £20 per night. We only paid £15 per night for a fully serviced pitch on a great little site in Wales a couple of years ago, although in truth it was wasted on us as we arrived with a full tank, didn’t need waste, and only plugged in for 10 hours. But it was still good value at £15, but we wouldn’t have used it at over £20, and £30+ is crazy for us. We are really missing places like Much Wenlock, Bromyard Downs is clinging on, and now we know Nunnykirk is to go as well.
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ok, forget the rubbers....
the point is, there are folk on this forum who did this sort of contract and service level agreement renegotiation for a living....
i was illustrating (with a little levity which im sure you missed) that it would be unlikely to have been part of Corner's remit.
however, if he'd like to tell me he was a commercial contracts manager in a former life ill happily forget the pencils, too
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good post.
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The cost of eletricity, for business customers, (has since the cap on domestic prices last year?)been recouped by large increases as will happen even more
Even if meters are installed, the cost at the bollard will not decrease, and with the add costs having the meters calibrated will be even more of a burden on both major clubs keeping costs down,and that is on top of the increases that the outsourced companies will charge , as there are not many out there , and most are , it seems , in it together
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Presumably those that want non-EHU do not use CMC sites and are not targeted by CMC. I note that you want no hookup in summer and hook up in winter. Some might call that having one's cake and eating it
I see caravanners on non EHU on C&CC sites in height of summer who would choose differently at other times. As I said earlier I personally believe that low electricity usage in summer supplements the higher usage costs in winter. I could be wrong of course TTDA.PS I did not know that Nunnykirk is going. Lovely site but one that never seems to be on my routes these days
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what an insulting post to Kjell (and his OH who no doubt works hard to 'make things happen' in her domain.
Is saying something is ridiculous insulting in your book?
My OH was County commissioner for guides and knows full well how hard people work for nothing. But each guide unit and 'hut' will pay for it's own energy bills out of the weekly 'subs' and not out of the central county's funds. Totally different to the club, hence my statement stands. You see I was bringing my own relevant experience and you could be said to have rubbished that?
time and again folk relate real experiences in support of a debate yet your considered response is usually 'not relevant'....despite having a fairly myopic view of caravanning.
Again you are wrong there BB, myself, along with others, have said posting about your over there experiences has no relevance.
Btw the you posted before that I was trying to convince you that you were not on holiday. Again pure fiction, I have never discussed this with you at all. I think if your haste you have mistaken me for another poster who is also away not on holiday. So please don't make stuff up in your haste?
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Yes I agree with that which is why I don't think the club will reduce to 10A.
Personally once started up the caravan is kept warm at the 0.9Kw setting quite happily.
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Earlier in this thread( about P26), Corners suggested that as I had entered into a contract for a pitch at a given price, it was no business of mine whether another pitch occupant utilised little or much of the available electricity. My original post was merely pointing out the increasingly unsustainable attitude of "fill your boots". ISTM that the increasing cost of power whether it be pricing or consumption( probably both) is of concern to CAMC as they perhaps realise that merely continuing to crank up pitch fees is not necessarily a long-term solution.
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TTDA said: 'We would happily make more use of Club Sites if this was the case, no hook up in Summer, and 10amps in Winter. That way folks are paying for what they want and need, rather than forking out for what they don’t.'
I would not support a mix of 10amp and 16amp supplies at differential rates as I would use practically the same amount of power on either.
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ISTM that the increasing cost of power whether it be pricing or consumption( probably both) is of concern to CAMC as they perhaps realise that merely continuing to crank up pitch fees is not necessarily a long-term solution.
It seems to me that simply providing 10 amp instead of 16 amp is no solution at all (other than perhaps if a site cannot cope with peak demand). I am not sure that members would be greatly in favour of metering either and particularly given its likely effect on costs for winter users..
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So if the club spends £200,000 (and probably £500,000) on installing these meters you want and as you say they can't get the money back by 'consumption' then the only way to get that money back is to have higher prices? What other way is there?
True costs would have to go up. However, the cost increase could be quite small, especially if spread across a few years. One all year round site averaging only 30 pitches a night would bring in £2,737 for a 25p increase a night. Therefore 46 such sites would cover the installation cost in 4 years.
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I am not sure that members would be greatly in favour of metering either and particularly given its likely effect on costs for winter users..
Perhaps it is time the Club asked its members in the surveys they are still sending out.
I did point out in another thread that a CL owner who has asked the very question had received a very positive response to metering.
peedee
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Firstly I wish you wouldn't make stuff up CY, I said:
'Their 'contract' is with the club, the club sets it's prices and one accepts or not. Once one has made that decision is made then what anyone else does with their contract is not their business'
in reply to your:
One can understand those on the frugal end of the spectrum feeling a bit aggrieved at those at the profligate end.
You were the one that said some could feel aggrieved, and I responded why they should not. Did I mention you personally? I did ask you if you personally felt 'aggrieved' or look at others in an all inclusive setting such as a hotel, meal... but you didn't answer that so I assume if you have any 'aggrievment' it is just for club sites?
Moving on, but do people fill your boots? I would find it very difficult to use the max 16A, I would have to have the heating on full at 1.8Kw, kettle going all the time, or OH with hairdryer all the time, or using our electric grill.
I find the heating at 1.8Kw far too hot to be comfortable and even when turned down it gets too variable and too cool before having it heat up again. And before you go on about awning heaters that consumes a max 1.2 Kw but I find 0.8 Kw to be sufficient. So at most times it's heating at the lower setting and the awning heater a few hours in the evening.
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Great in theory but ,that would only be if the cost of installation and maintainance cost was also for ,full sites, and most are seasonal even al year sites would need to be well patronized all the time, and accountants are always looking at reducing costs
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yes but why spend that amount in the first place on something that is not needed?
I'd rather that amount be spent on refurbishments?
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The Club needs to offer more choice, like C&CC do, Forestry Commission do, and a large percentage of private sites do. They should consider more non hook up pitches (and not some scrubby afterthought pitch located in the back of beyond as most are now!)
OK if booking at the last minute TDA, when weather is known, However, we prefer to plan well in advance, so wouldn't want to get there and find the ground conditions unsuitable. I find the C&CC website even more confusing than this one, but as far as I can see you can't have Hardstanding without EHU. It always seems to include it. Whilst I wouldn't mind booking non EHU occasionally, I am not going to do it if they are only on grass.
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Or maybe the club looks at occupancy rates and takes that as an indicator of the current system being what members want?
But are people who use CLs representative of those using club sites? Why are they going to CL in the first place? Perhaps they do not need EHU and see it as another way to save money? Where as people who mainly use club sites have differing needs?
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Based on the cost of fitting metering provided by the British Holiday and Home Parks Association and the Clubs occupancy figure for a pitch of 65 percent, at a pitch increased fee of 30p the cost could be recovered over 5 years.
Maintence cost would be little different to what is charged for without metering.
peedee
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ok, forget the rubbers.... WHAT !!! if things are not bad enough with all those away in their lv's in the UK trapped inside with the heater on burning lecce or snuggling under the duvet, you could be the architect of a possible population explosion , 24 degs in Santa Barbara today
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