Have CAMC over priced some sites
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Yes, my OH has dodgy balance too off and on, another reason she does not use the showers without me there.
We have a full end shower room with a fantastic walk in shower, really big, lots of space, unlike some of the newer vans. Another reason we are hanging on to this van!
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Actually I was replying, very honestly I thought, to a poster who posted CMC sites are for elitist, that is posh folk with expensive gear.
As my post went on to say, us working class folk, not posh, can buy nice stuff too, that is, not all companys pay peanuts!
JVB are you trying to say you advocate a two tier pay system, pay less for jolly foreigner?
Bit elitist,
But no, everyone earns the same hourly rate here, all +1400 lorry drivers of all nationality.
If you cant handle a discussion about money is that a little bit of a snobs trait? us pleps talk about our earnings all the time!
Oh just to upset more, I'm due a 2.5% pay rise too! 🤣😁👍🛒🛒🛒
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One thing you have highlighted with your post ,is just what the salaries are now, when others post as the OP,and it is what seems quite a common comparison ,compared to site fees,and running costs that the leisure industry in the UK anyway are faced with
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Brit, not everything in this world, or on this forum, is about you. I for one don't want to hear about your fabulous house and possessions. Nor do I care how much you earn. Have you ever given a moment's thought to how those less fortunate than yourself feel when they read all about the wonderful world of Brit? No, of course not.
Do yourself a favour and give it a rest. You’re embarrassing yourself.
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I can see very clearly, David.
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Only for some, is the average wage these days not around £25k?
With many earning far more than that, there must also be many earning far less.
SIL (35) is a secondary teacher, I believe he is on around £41k as they just had a good pay rise, but he can only progress up the scale now if he can secure a head of department post. Unfortunately there are not many of those around right now
DD (34) is a software engineer, I think she is on something like £48k, plus £3-£5k bonus, and due a promotion very soon. As the higher earner, having had a year off on maternity leave, she now has to keep working to pay the huge mortgage they took on last year to secure a property in a very good school catchment. Houses there command a large premium.
DS (49) is also a software engineer, I reckon he is on over twice what DD gets, plus a huge annual bonus, his wife is a primary teacher, but only works part time, again they have a huge mortgage and an expensive to maintain property.
So, they seem very well off compared to when I was still working, but housing and everything else costs far more now, our mortgage was never more than £40k, and my pension contributions were also much lower.
JK was saying families are spending £200 plus per day on holiday activities, certainly our children would not contemplate that sort of spending on holidays!
DD and family have not had any time away this year, it is mainly going on the mortgage and work on the house, plus replacing savings they have had to use. DS and family go to his MIL's holiday house on Islay 2 or 3 times each year, no expensive holidays for them either.
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Because other posters have raised it as an issue that the CMC is charging more because the clientele can afford to pay it.
Others have muted holiday spend is xy or z, how then honestly answer a question put if not with a honest reply?
Its revealing the replies by some, money stopped being so years ago, just numbers nowadays.
It would appear that some are true to the British trait of not being able to handle a conversation about money!
Another example of competition within peoples holiday choice workmates has a caravan, paid for the factory fit towbar on his new car, CMC member going to Thailand next july, school hols, penthouse suite, stunning, £500 a week! Flights cost hes working on mind.
Similar income to us, but not the house👍
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Tinny not I being embarrassed, dont read my posts then! 🙄
As far as your "Think of others" I'm now parked outside the depot 04:19, the staff inside are paid minimum wage, are those the people you refer to? They dont care, so who are these people you talk about?
But my wider point and no not pulling legs or doing anything more or less than the CMC Marketing department, they have collected the stats about my income, the fact (my house) I'm prepared to spend it! Nail on head as far as I can see and they have published it, no problem from me.
As I said before I represent the up and coming, proved, you cannot stamp as you appear to be doing so often, everywhere, (I've read lots of your posts without comment), your opinion on this forum as anything more worthy than anyone else's.
As far as this thread goes, my opinion, with all my background info I've given, facts asked for by other posters, site fees are probably ON BOOKING at the correct level, in fact CMC could charge more.
The problem is for me, "Disappointment",
As I stated CMC site 1 in February, super stunning site, well it could be, but our pitch sloped so much that if I owned the site I would be embarrassed, and then the lazy warden. Also the info room, needs a sprinkle of corporate professionalism, bit 1970's.
Site 2, again pegged at about the right price, but again disappointed with tatty buildings and site furniture of same, Wardens brilliant, probably carrying the place!
Both sites we wont be returning to.
It's a shame because the CMC booking protocols are good, prices are for us low to ok as far as what we are used to, but the sites we have visited dont live upto what we expect for the amount charged or the brand doing the selling. Perhaps a reason then for the low occupation levels observed.
Given I have provided my income level, and that the CMC market blurb says if I remember I represent 63% of membership? What relevance do you think my honest post's have, compared to your stamping?
I think more and of more value to those reading.👩💻👨💻👈
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Having noted some of the high incomes and figures quoted by posters on here, if the average income in the UK is indeed £25k, our joint income is quite significantly below that. Little wonder therefore, that we find that most of the time club sites are well beyond our means and what we are prepared to pay. Such is life. It is the result of living in a seaside town, and as wonderful as the surrounding countryside is, we are famous for being an area of very low pay compared to most of the country. There are many low paid seasonal jobs in tourism and service industries. Few companies invest in a town that is at least one hour away from the nearest motorway, except for the McCains chip factory, who are by far the largest employer in these parts..... Just a view from the other end of the pay scale ....
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And it's an important point you make.
That being the "Club" how does it cater for all members?
Should it?
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Our upper limit per night is £25 unless we have a very special reason for being somewhere. We therefore seek out sites that are below that limit. Perhaps "less desirable areas and times of year", or no facility sites, or CLs with this club, or cheaper club sites or CS sites with the other club, or small private sites. Whilst we generally have no issue with the standard of club sites, we do find that the no facility sites are our preference but there are far fewer of them. Normal full blown club sites have a posh toilet block, a laundry, a washing up room, a dog walk, and a children's playground. All these are included in the price, but we have no actual need for any of it ..
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So I think your saying a better "Variety" as in lower CMC owned facilitie sites, but in the usual locations would satisfy you as a member and attract your trade?
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Yes but ... What we find generally is that no facility sites are not as popular and often under-booked so not of much interest to the club.. Despite most of us having all the facilities required already on board, there are many members won't use their own shower, or own toilet, even some who rarely use the oven and eat out regularly which is to us a complete mystery. We require very little, but we are, all as is often, said quite different in what we want.
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Do you feel then that the pricing structure has pushed you out of main sites? I want to emphasize pushed.
I'm asking because I left the club about 3 ish years ago, and that was when the club started to lengthen peak, which then resulted in our regular weekend site charging far too much, more than what it was worth really.
There is a direct link for us, which must mean others made the same decision.
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What would you charge for a pitch with decent access track, septic tank provision for elsan, EHU, three quarter acre of nicely mown grass, bins emptied etc? We are only using one CL this year and it is £18 a night with a £30 deposit for our 5 night stay. EHU, hard stand or grass available and full toilet and shower facilities. Perfectly happy with this
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Thought so.
It's wrong isnt it.
In my mind the Club must look at their peak off peak price structure.
Extending peak, introducing mid peak, I think its cost the club more than it's made.
Lots of evidence abound to suggest more bookings would be made out of proper Peak by people such as yourself, perhaps a letter to the mag?
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If I owned a CL, the most I thought I could get for it without damaging trade!
Ive only ever stopped on 1 CL years ago, York Marina, go check out the price and post back what you think.
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The annual accounts will tell you if the club made a profit on sites as they split activities, I.e. sites, travel, insurance etc. I think in 2016 they made £1.2 million on sites and guess what, there were still people then saying club sites were too expensive and we’re going to see it’s demise
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