German Tolls Update

Wherenext
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I noticed that the proposed introduction of tolls for non German residents to use the autobahn has run into a snag. The European Courts have upheld an appeal from Austria saying that the proposal is anti EU as German residents would have received a rebate of the amount of annual charge in their vehicle taxation, thus effectively being discriminatory against the other EU countries' residents.

This toll was due to come into force sometime next year.

Germany has yet to respond. They may well take any punishment meted out, may scrap the toll, may still introduce it and force everyone to pay or in our case just force non EU residents and businesses that use it to pay. 

Hope Lutz can keep us informed as and when decisions are taken.

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  • JVB66
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    edited June 2019 #2

    More "staycations"aheadcool

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited June 2019 #5

    Back to the original question. I seem to recall Lutz mentioning that it was a condition of one party joining the Government in coalition that they demanded tolls on motorways. As this wouldn't wash with the German public they planned to reduce another tax for Germans which meant that only non German motorists would in effect pay the tolls. This is clearly against all the EU rules  so I am not surprised the courts  have come down on it. To add the the confusion there has been another election since the tolls were planned so I don't know if that changes the dynamics of the situation. I am sure Lutz will enlighten us!

    David

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  • Lutz
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    edited June 2019 #9

    Yes, motorway tolls in Germany are off the books. The biggest problem that the government has now is the proceedings for breach of contract with various companies that have already started work on implementing a scheme that will now be scrapped. Differentiating between EU and non-EU citizens was never an option because the technical provisions for such a scheme would be far too expensive considering the relatively few non-EU vehicles passing through the country. 

  • Lutz
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    edited June 2019 #10

    Besides, how would one tell the difference between an EU citizen driving a non-EU registered vehicle or a non-EU citizen driving an EU registered vehicle?

  • young thomas
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    edited June 2019 #11

    you seem to have this 'word' on the brain....undecided

    folk who like to tour 'elsewhere' will continue to do so and not change the habits/desires of a lifetime...smile

    however, I guess for those who don't, they must be having 'staycations' already?frown

    long may it 'stay' that waywink

  • Oneputt
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    edited June 2019 #12

    Can’t you have both without being greedysurprised

  • young thomas
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    edited June 2019 #13

    well, if touring here and abroad, taking other holidays home and away, a cruise or two for luck is having both without being greedy, then yes....smile

    my point was that, just because this word is bandied about on the news (and on CT by one poster) it doesn't mean that no one will be touring Europe.....

    and even if someone decided to spend more time at home, why do we need a silly made up word to describe it?

  • Wherenext
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    edited June 2019 #14

    Ironic that the word is a foreign one! laughing

  • cyberyacht
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    edited June 2019 #15

    Surely "staycation" implies a couple of weeks camping on your own driveway?

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  • young thomas
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    edited June 2019 #17

    AD, Q.E.D. (some foreign words)wink

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited June 2019 #18

    https://youtu.be/KzNyv6OdZuo

    Check this(thanks to MM👍🏻)😂😂

  • Oneputt
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    edited June 2019 #19

    A bit naff to talk money.  I for one am not the least bit interested n what you have. In fact for me it’s a complete turnoff 

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  • Karmann600
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    Considering how many of you use Germany as a so called transit country going to Italy - Austria - Switzerland and the earlier East Block countries which all have some kind of toll for Motorways the €8 - €20 for using the German autobahns would not break your holiday purse.

    The only problem is the German Government will not use the money for keeping the roads in order - you just have to see how bad the roads and motorway bridges are ( main bridges at Cologne / Duisburg and Düsseldorf which cross the Rhine) but thats another story.

    On the bright side, those of you going to Spain can look forward to the Spanish Government not renewing the Licenses to the Motorway Companies with Motorways becoming Toll Free slowly up till 2021 especially the A7 Barcelona to Gibralter. Now that is where most of you go - Spain (might be wrong on that could be France). 

    Anyway, come across have a nice holiday and don`t worry about whats going to happen when Brexit happens.

    We need your money. 

    I will certainly still be coming to the UK! 

    I live in Germany by the way.

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  • Wherenext
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    edited August 2019 #23

    Don't worry Karmann, some of us use Germany as a destination as well as a transit route. Tolls have never stopped us from going to other European countries. 

  • Oneputt
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    edited August 2019 #24

    Be in Germany this time next week, will probably stay about 14 days (toll free) before moving into France hopefully in the main toll free.  Course that could all change

  • Sumitra
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    edited August 2019 #25

    We have had some excellent holidays in Germany,

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  • Extugger
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    edited August 2019 #27

    I loved travelling through and staying in Germany. I would happily pay whatever charge, just to enjoy their uncrowded, well maintained roads. Driving there is a pleasure and reminds me of driving in Britain in the 70's.