Slight of Hand "Head Line" Pricing

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  • Fysherman
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    edited April 2019 #62

    Could have stayed on my driveway for nowt ET.

    How long are you there? Might come round and have a natter in the Gamekeeper.

    Fysh

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2019 #63

    There are many things in life that I look at the price of something & think 'sod that' (or similar) It's not that I can't afford it, but I'm not willing to pay that  &  buy a similar product from elsewhere. eg B&Q and Halfords have loads of stuff in there at high prices but if you're willing to look, you'll find the same or better elsewhere and probably be helping support a local independent. 

  • moulesy
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    edited April 2019 #64

    Ah, but do you then go on B&Q/Halford websites complaining about their prices MM? wink

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #65

    +1

  • Fysherman
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    edited April 2019 #66

    Caravan Club sites have always been premium priced for as long as I have been a member. The question really is "do they offer good value" and only the individual can answer that. Very acceptable alternatives are available if required.

    There are several ways of pricing goods for sale (pitches etc), one of which is a cost plus basis. Not the best way to make a lot of money but perhaps suitable for a genuine club. The Caravan Club seems to operate on what market will pay basis. This can make lots of money and is very tempting for any multi million pound leisure organisation.

    Unless and until people stop going and demand begins to drops away, the prices will keep going up. The Marketing people will be watching for this.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #67

    Indeed, I agree with you and have always said that, pay if you think it is what you want/good value. Of course then don't criticise others for buying from where they want or complain about the prices somewhere else.

    But again you are not buying the basics of keeping alive, hence the inflation part I alluded to. 

  • trellis
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    edited April 2019 #68

    My wife and I have just returned home from Rowan Park CMC site in Sussex .5 nights for £122 .It was where we wanted to be ,so for us it was well worth the money .Horses for courses .😀..

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2019 #69

    No, because on a Sunday afternoon when they're open & everywhere else is shut I'll probably bite the bullet & go to B&Q or Halfords if I need a wot-sit for a do-dah now.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #70

    indeedsmile

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #71

    sorry Corners...."Hillhead being around £48 next year"

     

    here's next year price, bookable now...

     £48.20....is this not over £48? and close to the £50 pitch predicted?

    2x £14.10 + £20.50

    02/04/2020 - 19/04/2020 £14.10 £4.50 £16.60 £16.60 £20.50 £20.50

     

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #72

    alan, that's a shocking price, hence I'm at home and not therewink

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #73

    Yes and worth every penny in my view, still no need for you to apologise about your mistakes in that post BB. Easy to do

    ie for Hillhead it is £35 not £45 now, and most sites (as shown by a few above) are around the £30 mark not £40 as you said. 

    those who might well be on site now (as you say) will be paying close to £40 for a nonSP and nearer £45'for a SP.

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #74

    as we are being 'precise' the current 'now' price band starts today, 16th.

    my comment this morning referred to an earlier post where i had highlighted the prices i quoted....they were, in fact, correct, at that time, as that price band (which has disappeared from the list) was at a higher than the one which is now current....

    so, my post was factual based on that info....

    either way, blooming expensive and the £50 pitch is most certainly careering towards us (well, not me...)

     

  • Navigateur
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    edited April 2019 #75

    Jings!  Not only are prices extortionate and complicated, but the price bands are changing as we watch!

     

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #76

    yes, time moves on....wink and on the 23rd they'll change yet again....and again...

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #77

    well, the peak prices have been going for last week as well (we arrived on the 5th) as we paid them so not sure what you mean about from today?

    Expensive? not in my view and you are talking about one of the most expensive sites and taking that as your 'benchmark' (a sort of inverse of the solo+1 price you are against) to prove your point.

    If you look at a 'standard' club site the prices are almost the same.

    A SP where I was costed £38.70 per night per couple, next Easter it will cost me £40,10, an increase of £1.40, not really a lot?

    ET's prices will go up to £33.70, again an increase but hardly near your high 'benchmarks' of £40 -£45

     

    For comparison the nearest non club site (Quiet site) a few miles away is currently £40 with a non refundable deposit, extra for dogs, and extra cars

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #78

    for some reason the SP pitch fee at TB goes down by 20p next Eastersmile

     

  • OnlyJen
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    edited April 2019 #79

    A bit of context.

    Today I had to make a flying visit to Poole. 

    Normally when I am here I stop in a very nice Britstop at Furzehill but I do not want to be tempted by alcohol tonight. This is a working visit.

    I checked on a CL nearby but did not want to pay an extortionate amount for a slab of concrete at the end of Hurn Runway. I also really wanted EHU as I wanted to use my Remoska and electric kettle.

    So over to the other club and a CS ... I get hook-up, I get cold water in a wash basin, and I get a loo but I get no welcome as even though the price is £18 per night they do not want one-nighters in Easter week. I was made to feel about as wanted as a fart in a spacesuit.

    Then a light bulb moment: Wareham. A very nice warden "of course we have room for you for one night". Off I trundles, only noise is birds singing, the usual warm and welcoming sanitary block, with hot water for my hot shower tonight, 16A EHU as kettle boils and Remoska sizzles, all for a fiver more than a concrete slab at the end of a runway or £3 more for cold water in a cold basin if I could get past the cold welcome.

    Oh, also £90 a night cheaper than the hotel that my friends wanted to book me into but I saved them the money: I would rather be in my camper, my own space, my own bed, my own bedding and everything where I want it than in an overheated room sleeping in someone else bed trying to go to sleep over the noise of next doors television and being woken up by all the other doors banging.

     

  • Navigateur
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    edited April 2019 #80

    Hmm . . . not just doors banging.

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2019 #81

    We are on Black Knowl again since returning from a very quiet Southlands except the serviced pitches,and this site is extremely busy with families as it was last week ,and as was said by the younger generation  compared to us, the prices are not exorbitant for these days   

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #82

    the point was raised a few days back (surprised you missed it) in another thread that prices were moving quickly towards a £50 CC site night...obviously this would be at the higher end of the CC pricing, but a land,ark nonetheless.

    I found Hillhead prices and the peak 2020 details had just been added (a feature of the rolling system we now have) and the prices were as I quoted above....£48.20.

    i wasn't posting what other sites were, merely thatnthe earlier poster's point was coming true faster than perhaps thought.

    if the club are 'allowed' to highlight the absolute minimum (valid for a day) prices just to give them their headLine, why can the other end of the range also be highlighted just to give 'balance''? 

    BTW, I don't have a dog or an extra carwink

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  • SteveL
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    edited April 2019 #84

    What do the other clubs prices mean though?. Haltwhistle is shown as £7.05 to £12. However, when I obtained a quote for our MH the price was in the mid to high twenties. So they would seem not a lot more useful than the CAMC's. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2019 #85

    if the club are 'allowed' to highlight the absolute minimum (valid for a day) prices just to give them their headLine, why can the other end of the range also be highlighted just to give 'balance''?

    because you have called that practice 'sneakiness'  and said how it 'grates'  on people and here you are now doing the same. If you thought or said it was wrong then why copy it?

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  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #87

    Corners, what are you on about...I really don't understand your point.

    .the club produces 'headline' prices that show only the (virtually unattainable) lowest price...

    i highlighted (clearly....too clearly for yor liking?) the fact that some sites can charge close to £50 for a single pitch night.

    therefore 'highlighting' both ends of the pricing spectrum.

    have I been sneaky in any way?

    'au Contraire' I would have thoughtundecided 

  • brue
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    edited April 2019 #88

    At least the CAMC attempts to give clear prices on each individual site page but as both clubs now have rolling bookings the prices will be rolling too. Unless the CAMC intends to do the same as last year and let people book at the previous years prices at certain times. Confusing or what.

  • EasyT
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    edited April 2019 #89

    You are always going to have that situation with rolling bookings 12 months in advance 

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2019 #90

    let people book at the previous years prices

    you're absolutely right and I'm sorry to repeat myself but the club has got itself into a perpetual knot here....

    customers can only pay either the price ruling at the time of their booking (current practise and the 'correct' method for a holiday company that promotes early booking) or the price ruling at the time of arrival, ie taking into account any recent price rises since the booking was made....the wrong approach obviously.

    so, in order to maintain the former process they needed to have the system retain that price so that it appears on all customers booking screens.

    the club forgot/decided not to do this and now, when the price changes, the customers booking page shows, wrongly, the new increased price..

    then some worried customers ring the customer service team to complain and someone explains that it'll all be all right on the night and the warden will change the price back at the till.

    all ok then?

    well, I suppose it works, but why allow it to be wrong in the first place and then cause panic in customers who see this 'quirk' for the first time and waste their, and the customer team's, time?

    why then have the IT team produce some extra list with the 'wrong bookings flagged' when the booked price could have been logged correctly at the time of the booking thus eliminating the need for phone calls, queries, changes, extra work, etc....

    it might not seem like much to have to change prices at the till but, with a simple IT change (which would have been easier than the workaround now employed) this muddle could have been avoided..

    as it is, the workaround to correct wrong prices at the till, but not on the 'My Bookings' screen where customers often go to check things, is a permanent 'feature'.

     

  • Navigateur
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    edited April 2019 #91

    Maybe it is because they think most people will not remember 12 months on when they book in what the original price actually was, and they will get away with charging the new (higher) price.