Arrival times. Even the club get it wrong!

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2018 #32

    How is that disagreeing with you Michael? 

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #33

    I do not see ETs post as saying the opposite ,.just being realistic 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited October 2018 #34

    I imagine the reason for the lack of outsourcing of jobs is that it would cost more. The most likely approach would be to engage a local cleaning company, in the case of toilet cleaning. If they retained the same number of wardens that would increase the costs and put up the price of sites which I imagine would be very popular!

    David

  • MichaelT
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    edited October 2018 #35

    I never said it would be cheaper or to do it to save money just that I wonder why they pay a warder to do it when their time could be better used on site looking after visitors.  I know clean toilets is looking after visitors but more interaction with visitors, manning the desk with more than one person at peak times, manning the speed gun, measuring dog leads, organising the creche to stop children annoying the old farts etc.tongue-out.

    It is a task I am sure the warders would like to get rid off and I know they have outsourced the waste management of washrooms already so why not the cleaning as well?  Not saying they should or should not but it was just a query!!

     

  • Metheven
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    edited October 2018 #36

    Can't understand this interaction and 'looking after visitors', all I want from a warden is to book me in, the rest I am quite capable of doing unattended.

  • MichaelT
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    edited October 2018 #37

    OK no need to outsource the cleaning then you are happy to do it for yourself?wink

    I agree book me in ASAP and leave me alone but some people do like to talk to the warder and see them out and about.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #38

    But you are always going on about cheaper prices, would you be in favor of having more staff and higher prices then?

    Waste management in washrooms outsourced, what do you mean? Emptying the bins? flushing the toilets? or is it something that has always happened as the wardens could not do it and you're throwing that in as a red herring?

  • young thomas
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    edited October 2018 #39

    how astute, Michael.....wink

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2018 #40

    Those PHS vans have been coming round for a long time. So it's not a recent development.

  • young thomas
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    edited October 2018 #41

    I'll go along with Alan's lovely turn of phrase on this one...

    that's a load of Tom Walls.....undecided

  • MichaelT
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    edited October 2018 #42

    I have never gone on about cheaper prices so please correct yourself.  I have mentioned different pitch types which may lead to cheaper prices by no EHU etc. but that is all. undecided

    I never said they should outsource but surprised they have not, it would be cost neutral in a way as the cleaning staff would likely be minimum wage as are most warders, but it would cost 2-3 hours extra a day but would mean the warders could do more of the things I mentioned. Oh and it would not be staff costs!!undecided

    Waste management such as "ladies sanitary bins" (sorry if that's not the correct term) are outsourced I think to PHS as I have seen their vans on a few sites.smile

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #43

    PHS are only doing clinical waste clearing 

  • Kennine
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    edited October 2018 #44

    Looking at it another way, If another member of staff has to be recruited, why not give the office part of the job to someone who is physically challenged, leaving the remainder of the site staff to attend to the many important on- site jobs . This would demonstrate that the CMC is a caring employer. 

    K smile

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #45

    If members were more considerate of others when useing the facilities ,(make one wonder what their houses are like?)then it would not need so much time to bring them up to the standards expected of cc sites,surprised

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  • MichaelT
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    edited October 2018 #47

    I agree, a lot of people do not seem to know what a toilet brush is for however with the removal of mops and j cloths for the sinks there is not a lot people can do....

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #48

    big plus one there

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #49

    wow, bit against the law that K, would you care to write the advert?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #50

    been happening on club sites for quite a while David, but sadly volunteers are in short supply. Remember a volunteer club site had to close due to lack of them.

    Why don't you volunteer?

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  • moulesy
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    edited October 2018 #52

    But that's the thing about "volunteers", surely David, as in the voting thread. It seems that "volunteers" are great as long as it's somebody else doing the volunteering! undecided

  • Kennine
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    edited October 2018 #53

    So the CMC, according to you should not, according to you, employ people with disabilities. That's shameful !!.

    There is no reason at all why the Site Office duties cannot be carried out by those who have physical disabilities. 

    K 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2018 #54

    Quite a spin there, K. yell

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #56

    K, I said nothing of the sort and it's shameful that you point scoring off such a subject, just look at what you wrote:

    Looking at it another way, If another member of staff has to be recruited, why not give the office part of the job to someone who is physically challenged,

    to which I answered

    wow, bit against the law that K, would you care to write the advert?

    Of course disabled people can work for the work for the club but what you are suggesting is employing someone just because they are disabled, which is against the law and you cannot advertise for such.  

    You must not state or imply in a job advert that you’ll discriminate against anyone.

     

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #57

    your definitions are quite unique to you David to suit your posts IMHO, like reservations and booking, to volunteer has nothing to do with good causes at all.

    a person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task.

    a person who works for an organization without being paid.

    freely offer to do something.



  • brue
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    edited October 2018 #58

    I can't remember how many club sites are run or part run by volunteers but there are several, did you know that members can volunteer?

    In the case of Seacroft, which opens at the same time as the much larger Incelboro Fields site, ten minutes away, it is difficult to see what the problem is except less staff. Incleboro always seems to have plenty of staff on duty for arrivals etc.

    If 1pm arrival makes it easier for the staff to run the Seacroft site it seems like a good idea, the OP only pointed out that the new arrival time hadn't been updated in March, lets hope it has now. smile

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited October 2018 #60

    David it is not pedantry to use correct definitions of words

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2018 #61

    So very true,

    Just as an added incentive for club site volunteers they also get travel expenses to and from sites each time they "work" and they do not need to do many hourswink

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