Club rules outdated
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well I didn't have too much of a problem understanding your post David...
it seemed to me that CS 'might' visit a continental site provided they were more like club sites (managed as such and 'safe'....though I've never been on an unsafe site that I can remember....) and your post suggested the changes the club might have to carry out to make him 'feel at home'....
of course, this would mean changing much, reducing staffing levels, only cleaning toilets once a day, introducing arrival/departure times, removing hedges to get that car park feel, closing the bars and restaurants, filling in the pool, moving the MHSP to somewhere totally inaccessible, etc, etc.....
however, the idea of going 'away' is that we go to sites that aren't like club sites.
...but if this means some won't venture into the unknown (to the Wild West of unsafe sites) then there will be more room for those that have come to appreciate the differences.
just as there are those who baulk at the thought of a restaurant on a CC site (despite the one I've used at Hillhead being a very sociable, pleasant place) there are those who would feel the 'Club effect' would destroy all that's wonderful about crossing the channel with a van..
each to their own, but I'm sure (almost) any member would enjoy a more typical continental offering, perhaps even some of those who currently 'only' use Club sites.
either way, enjoy - Vive La Difference
edit.....it seems that we have a change of heart above and even the Club Effect wouldn't be enough. that's a shame, I was looking forward to a Rouge/tinto/Rosso somewhere along the road....
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Btw the way, sorry for the duplicate posts, what is going on? Clearly David saw what I had posted as he replied to it, but it disappeared?
Defensive? is that your new line when someone posts a question to you and contradicts your own viewpoint then Davo?
I was not being defensive but courteously taking the time with to answer your post with my own views.
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Anyway, defensive (if that’s what it was) is within the rules, attacking (if it should occur) is not. 👍🏻😀
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Somebody earlier in this thread said " I wouldn't like to 'waste' my time driving for literally days on end to get there".---- Surely the journey to site is part of the holiday adventure when Caravan touring. .
We have always enjoyed our touring on the continent. Our journey to the channel ports from Central Scotland only required one overnight stop. Also when we sailed from Hull, the travel to that port was done easily within a few hours.
K
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By the way, edits are playing up. See Snagging List.
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Every one to their own, but as we no longer tour in our LVs "over there"and are now more than happy to meet the increasing numbers of "over therers" coming over here to enjoy what our little country has to offer apart from the "empty?"roads from where they mostly come from,and join the increasing number of staycation LV owners/leasers/hirers, that seem to find the way site are normally well run for the vast majority,who are quite happy that the way most rules on all sites have evolved for the benifit of users and still try to encompass how regulations from our own govenment and the unelected lot "over there" have foisted on companies since we started some years back
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which definition of 'common' are you using
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Although a member and user of the club services I very rarely book a club site. The issue is that if you look at the major trends in the hobby then the club is slow to respond and quite honestly just not up to supplying what a diverse customer base wants.
Why do I not use club sites? The ones I have visited are regimented beyond belief. Just look at the thousands of posts on here about the colour of pegs and the distance between point A and point B, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. There is an attitude of maintaining archaic rules and trying to maintain some sort of order that without the rules would result in some form of chaos. The perception of this chaos is a myth, the vast majority of people know how to conduct themselves, all sites comply with planning rules, the world keeps turning.
I really value quite, private, well ordered sites and have never had cause to complain in many many visits to sites. I tend to use sites that suit my requirements, most have a list of rules shorter than the CC index of rules. They tend to have much larger pitches, cater for all types of unit and are responsive to their customers needs.
The club is a reflection of its members and that's fine but the future will be different. Expectation of customers is increasing, the club offering is not. The best commercial sites and groups are showing the way. I suspect that many commercial sites (from small private operations to big fully loaded ones) have occupancy figure out stripping the club sites. If there was not a boom in the popularity of the hobby I think the club would suffer from the competition.
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Although I can empathise with some of what you say, Phish, I take issue with your statement "…the distance between point A and point B, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER."
Of course it matters! Pack em in as close as they like and hang all thoughts of safety? Is that what you'd like to see? I remember sites like that back in the 70s and I’m glad common sense now prevails.
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I suspect that many commercial sites (from small private operations to big fully loaded ones) have occupancy figure out stripping the club sites.
My experience this year has tended to confirm the above but convincing some on here that this is the case is a fruitless task. The disbelievers can see no further than the old club logo!
I am not entirely sure why the Club is not doing so well in the areas I have visited but I have put it down to cost and choice. Others seem to be better at attracting visitors by offering attractive discounts and giving customers more choice of what they require.
peedee
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There are some rules that seriously matter, others that are driven by necessity to maintain harmony amongst diverse and differing visitors.
Club Sites have to a certain extent fallen victim to their popularity. Many are old sites, dating back to a time when a patch of grass and a reasonably close stand pipe and waste point was all that most members required to enjoy a holiday away. Times and progress, the advent of huge outfits with awnings the size of a small marquee, a reluctance to take a car off anything other than tarmac, the vagaries of British weather, have all combined to give us most of the Club Sites we now see. Operating costs and if possible a degree of profit have still to be maintained, hence the requirement to utilise as much pitching space as is safe. Hence the carefully measured little sticks, the rules about which way to pitch etc.... Maintaining harmony gives us the safe speed rules, the noise rules, the no ball games rules, the prescribed length of pet tie ups, etc...
The British, lets face it, love rules. It's why we queue, why we mutter and splutter at anyone perceived as breaking the rules. But what we really like is seeing someone who breaks the rules, persistently, get their comeuppance.
Any institution that sets rules, but then remains fluid about how to deal with serious or persistent transgressors, is not going to be popular. They have to be applied consistently, and staff supported at the highest levels.
Private sites can do this easily. Much more protracted for larger institutions.
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The "club" is in a time warp, when I joined in 1980 with my trailer tent I was treated like a leper by other members, it is time this club moved on to allow all types of leisure units to join and make the pitches large enough that pegs are not required for spacing, it seems the other club manages to do it as do the majority of private sites.
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I don't disagree hooker, but note that the other Club charges different rates for size of pitch in some instances.
Our experience of joining Club in 1982 as young tourers with an unconventional camper van mirrored your welcome, but things have moved on a tad since then. Unless you have a roof tent on a Land Rover or a Jeep............
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That's odd, because I thought all types of leisure unit were allowed, maybe it's just tenters you're referring to?
As far as size of pitch and pegs are concerned, our experience on C&CC sites, and we've used many of them, is that the pitches are actually smaller, and as for private sites, have a look at the latest adverts for Morris Leisure (which, admittedly we've never used) - those wouldn't possibly be little white pegs at the corner of each pitch I see in the pictures would it?
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That is just the pitch number,and has for the other club some pitches are larger as well.
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Pegs, markers or pitch boundaries are needed to demarcate distances when pitching. It would be no good just having a pitch without some sort of demarcation as units could end up next to each other. Safety distances would immediately be compromised. It's surprising what folks will do when faced with an empty space, rather like being the only people on a beach and someone comes along and sits a few inches from you!
Although the other club doesn't always have markers or numbers they do make sure that users are parked up in a safe way which entails taking people to their chosen pitch. The CAMC relies on members doing this themselves and using the markers as the safety guide.
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I like being given a 'pitch' (even nicer with surrounding hedges) and then park however you like within 'your' area....
I guess that hedges take up valuable space on sites where fitting in as many as possible is a priority.
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We have come across a few CLs with individually landscaped pitches. Couple of the nicest are a good basic CL down in Cornwall, which has "Cornish Walls", turf topped granite covered in colourful shrubs, big pitches as well. A couple of the pitches here are around the size of three Club Site awning pitches, so plenty of room!
Another uses coloured hedging and shrubs to make some pitches very private, a favourite close to Matlock.
Decent manoeuvring skills or a motor mover required on both.
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If everyone understood the required spacing and everybody pitched accordingly then there would be no need for pegs on the pitch, hedged or not. Thing is some of us need that peg to help us. Some, I reckon, think that that hedge is a fire wall but in my mind it just may be an 'accelerant' in that it might just help the fire spread. Even more need for pegs then.
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what other types of LV are you referring to?
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+ 1 certainly a hedge will burn quite easily? probably more so than a flame retardant material?
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You may well drive slowly although on many occasions, this is not the case for everybody. I've often seen people driving at 10 - 20 mph on sites and at that speed, particularly with a caravan on the back you have no chance of stopping if anybody of any age walks out from behind an outfit.
I also agree with the 'regimented' parking of outfits and am slightly amused that anyone can be upset when viewing another person's waste pipe. Shocking!
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Did not mention LV's I said leisure units, everyone should be free to join what ever they use, so long as they abide by the rules.
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