Interesting Petition Part 2
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In fairness Steve I did suggest that if councils have under utilised parking areas like Park and Rides they would be the places to start. I was not suggesting that spaces be provided in car parks that were already over subscribed for most of the day. Such car parks are often right in the middle of towns with often totally unsuitable access for anything other than the smallest motorhome and they would probably fit in a car bay. Councils will have to make a proper financial business plan for doing so taking into account not only the outlay but the possible advantages to the town itself. Probably the first stage is to get councils to start thinking about the subject which I image many have no idea!
David
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Don't know what Motorway services you use BB. The only one I know with policed caravan / MH bays is Wetherby on the A1M. Everywhere else you are just as likely to find a car parked in them. The other day of the ONLY 6 at East Midlands Airport Services, 2 had cars parked in them.
Oh of course if you want to stay beyond 2 hours, the cost is between £15 and £25.
Now that's a reasonably priced aire.😂
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Barge, really good post....
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Come on BB.....where's the examples of "the club was spending money solely on caravaners' interests..." ? Avoiding the question again? What about all the money that's being spent both on the new name etc and on updating the MHSPs?
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ah yes, rip off Britain....
but, despite who currently parks there, if all the caravan bays were removed you'd be very hard pushed to get in amonst the cars....
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oh come on, nellie....
I mentioned it in the part of the post you conveniently didn't quote....avoiding the question yourself, I think.
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"I find it incomprehensible that threads on this subject have been be summarily and arbitrarily closed, and as a member abhor any such attempt at censorship."
Barge, the other thread was closed because it wandered way off topic with irrelevant posts. Similarly recent posts on the previous page ofbthis thread have been removed by the moderator because he deemed them not to be appropriate. It’s not censorship but application of the T&Cs of the forum.
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+1
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Yawn....ok, I'll tell you again.....
page 6 .....it's there where I said....in the first part of the post which you conveniently didn't quote...
its actually there twice as JVB quoted it to get his little dig about the (useless) MHSP.....
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you obviously didn't read all of my post either...
nellie quoted a post of mine, no doubt the bit you 'liked' but he conveniently forgot to quote the first bit of the post where I mentioned what had driven the second part....
however, it's far easier and jump on a bandwagon and post your silly +1 without bothering to read what was originally posted....
..and then all that squirming about T/C.....
what rubbish.....
all the 'complaining' posts have been removed and my original one with the phrase still in it is still there...
ironically, it's the same post I'm referring Nellie to...
you were so concerned about getting the knife in about my 'dreadful behaviour' that you missed the point of the post, as usual....
welcome back.....didn't take long did it?
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Not divisive at all just trying to cater for MH's as opposed to caravans and as for getting it for nothing that's is not the case. We happily pay for parking, camp sites etc.
Paid for by all caravan owners who is divisive now? No one expects caravan owners to pay, but you expect MH owners to pay for something they (or some of them) do not want, its all about offering choice.
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I can't say I've ever felt restricted by what's on offer for motorhomers in the UK. We are a relatively small island compared to the rest of Europe. We don't have the many rural areas like France where the locals have left to work elsewhere leaving places to falter and fail. I have often wondered how small aires are funded in remote rural places, have they received EU help in an attempt to regenerate the communities? How are they funded, does anyone ever ask?
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I have to say that I think the way this thread has developed is an example of CT at its absolute worst.
There seemed to be pretty much universal agreement (caravanners and MHers alike) about the fact that these provisions could be made if the will was there but that the petition, aimed at the club, "owning and managing" such sites, was almost worthless.
And yet,despite all that agreement, it's descended into bickering and point scoring. What is it about CT which makes folk, who on site would get along fine, take such umbrage at each other?
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I certainly don't think the petition or the thread is divisive in anyway...
the only divisive posts have been from a small group who keep telling us this is 'divisive'....it's about improving the services for all members.
earlier, it was conveniently forgotten how the club got involved to support caravaners in the MOT issue....time and money spent there but to no use at all to MHers...
my point on this was that the MHIng half of the club didn't go whining about the money being spent solely for caravaners' benefit..
so don't worry, the club is not going to be paying for new build Aires, not in its interests, but getting involved in a softer way isnt too much to ask.
ok, the petition is worded wrongly and aimed at the wrong group, but any aire that comes to fruition needs to be self funding and that has alway been the premise.
i don't think anyone is suggesting that 'caravaners pay for something only MH use'...
any use by MHers would be paid for by the user...card/barrier entry or ticket like everyone else...
what I find so strange is that site users wouldn't be seen dead on an aire (horrible carpark things), they don't get it, nor want to, yet are so vehement when it's even considered that 'their' club get involved in a project like this.
i would have thought they'd be falling over themselves to to encourage MH to make use of any one night stopover provision to help free up spaces in the club network.
yes, we are all free to book early to get over the issue, but there is still a supply issue (especially at weekends) and many don't want to book many months ahead.
an influx of non bookable, low cost, quick turnaround spaces (of any type) would satisfy a 'general' MH need and free up spaces in the club network.
isnt that useful for all members....?
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earlier, it was conveniently forgotten how the club got involved to support caravaners in the MOT issue....time and money spent there but to no use at all to MHers...
No it wasn't forgotten as I mentioned it several pages ago. The club has always maintained that it is a non lobbying organisation and by and large I believe that stance. The MOT issue, I think was an exception, and I would think that the amount of money involved was minuscule compared to what this current petition would involve.
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The club has set out to provide hundreds of pitches in the UK and to my mind has done this remarkably well over the years. One of the attractions is the one night booking. This may require some planning but it's a provision welcomed by many. Within the limitations of space and the popularity of some sites there is already provision for overnight stops.
The other club provides "refuelling" facilities. Between them they provide a good service to all users within the bounds of financial constraints and other limiting factors.
If there is a group of motorhomers who want further provision outside of the confines of what the clubs can offer at the moment there is nothing to stop them forming a group, looking at how things are done elsewhere, where they might find funding etc.
Personally I think the clubs have concentrated on what they know best whilst being receptive to new ideas. As has been said before it is possible to take an active involvement in the club but many of us will continue to enjoy what is already provided. And of course, many are helped in their journeys further afield by the club so that gives some of us a bit more space here. Better to enjoy what we have sometimes and that's why "over there" feels so different. Will those who travel abroad for their motorhome holidays stay in the UK if there are more aires and parking arrangements, I'm not so sure.
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Indeed also the MOT was being imposed by the EU and not one political party was in favour. It was not needed as accidents rates with caravans was and is so low (0.08%). It would have cost thousands to implement (each and every out there caravan would have to get it's own number plate or identifier) and this would have come from all taxpayers so MH would have lost out too.
Also perhaps all caravaners were against it, unlike this proposal which on here only has two in favour against all the rest, If all the 2500 signatures are club members (very unlikely) that's 0.3% in favour and 1% of all motorhome owners! So how posters on here say this 'supported' or it's about improving the services for all members (how does this poster know what all the members want or think btw?) is ludicrous.
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Indeed as posted above. Also to give some perspective into the support for this petition:
There is a government registered petition here to reverse the changes to allow for Textiles & Technology to be stand alone GCSEs. which has
7,352 signaturesPerhaps the club should lobby for this? It has three times the support?
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" No one expects caravan owners to pay, but you expect MH owners to pay for something they (or some of them) do not want, its all about offering choice."
I don't follow that, Michael. What exactly is it that some MHers have to pay for but don't want? I can see the argument for offering a totally non EHU option (although in my experience on C&CC sites where the option is possible it's very rare to see MHs not connected). I hesitate to use the "d" word but surely the very fact that you're arguing for different treatment is an example of just that?
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"If there is a group of motorhomers who want further provision outside of the confines of what the clubs can offer at the moment there is nothing to stop them forming a group, looking at how things are done elsewhere, where they might find funding etc."
Sums it up nicely, brue!
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+1
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good post fully agree
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I will just post some on the road, bang up to date information. We are on a tour, Northumberland, heading for our fifth different stopover in our ten day tour. No problems at all finding somewhere to stay, fill up with water, deposit our waste of all kinds, pop into some gorgeous little towns and villages, visit loads of historic sites and properties. Average nightly cost? £12.50. (which is cheap enough for us, it could be done cheaper, but we used a Club Site for three nights!) Nothing booked up front, just chosen as we drive along, quick phone call to make sure a pitch is available. And not an Aire required. No public transport, bikes or even legs required other than a pleasurable walk.
Whilst I bow to the superior knowledge of many who like going overseas, I think there might just be something to be learned from those of us who have happily been touring like this for years, in this country, doing the things we love, at a great price. Even in August, in the best Summer we have had for years. There are folks doing exactly the same as us, in both MHs and caravans.
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I'm completely with you takethedogalong. Haven't done it this way this year but it's not too late, hoping to get the opportunity next month, fingers crossed.
I'm not sure that we'd use what's suggested in the petition but equally wouldn't rule it out if it was available.
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It's very easy isn't it. We have been pleased that despite the gorgeous weather and it being August we have had no problems. It's not a time we normally go away, but been fabulous up here. We shall get home, quick sort out, and may well head off again soon.
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