Interesting petition
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It's becoming more apparent as this thread progresses, that the CMC, despite changing it's name, has not really grasped the concept of Motorhome touring. This failure is also evident in the views being expressed by some of our traditional caravanner forum members. Do they really want those pesky motorhomers on their caravan sites or just tolerate then because of the extra income they produce ?. The advantages and requirements of the modern Motorhomer/campervan owner has been well documented by various learned people on this thread so there is no need to repeat them. It would be incumbent on the CMC to cater equally for both types of touring instead of giving precedence to the requirements of towed Caravans and ignoring the requirements of the modern Motorhoming fraternity.
K
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to where 'extensively', stopping on which sites/aires.....?
not on one of their 'overseas packages' on CC recommended sites by any chance?
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K - you are trying to create disagreement where none actually exists! This thread isn't about "pesky motorhomers on their sites" is it? It is about the aims of the petition which, far from treating both types of touring equally is specifically asking for precedence for one type of touring, coincidentally the one you have recently adopted. Even BB, who has consistently been the strongest advocate for this type of touring has said that he thinks the petition is wrongly aimed at the club. So please read through the thread again. No one is arguing against the provision of sites for those who prefer "linear" touring, but all the evidence, as detailed in my previous post, is that the demand is not sufficient for the club to be investing in owning such sites which would exclude, let's face it, what is still the majority of its membership. Unless that is you can come up with actual evidence to the contrary?
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And most of us have been promoting inclusiveness rather than being divisive. 👍🏻
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thanks again Jay
so, if I read this right, if an LA are happy to implement something like this they are able to set the spacing as they see fit?
this negates earlier posts regarding 'brick walls' when it comes to 6m spacing....
i realise it's difficult for some caravanners to understand why anyone would want to park/sleep just a few feet from their neighbour, but these are not campsites where other activities are undertaken, vans just park up, and usually leave the next morning or the one after...
so why so negative?
theres nothing satanic it what's being done, we don't grow three heads overnight (despite what some might think)....
stopping to visit a town/city with parks, museums, theatres whatever for requires a different approach with cheap, high turnover stopping points, whereas a 'destination' site, where the duration is far longer, might be better served with open spaces, showers, pools, bar, restaurant etc..
thanks again, Jay.
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Not assuming they are thick just that they do not understand and as I said in the post nor did I really until we actually got the MH and used Aires. As a caravan owner previously we had seen Aires in France and our perception was "who would want to spend their holiday on a car park" or similar. Now we have changed our perception as we now know what they are for. A lot of folks change to a MH and still tour like a caravanner as thats all they know and if thats how they want to operate thats great, their choice, but a lot of others do not want to tour like that but want to be a bit more free and move on each day or so to pastures new and only need a place to park safely for the night.
Your comment about Campsites is way off beam ET, they are more into running holiday sites with a mixture of glamping pods, cottages, touring pitches etc. About the only thing in general apart form a few sites is provide camping pitches for tents which is the definition of camping!!
So to either lobby LA's to provide more MH parking or open an Aire or 2 themselves and actually realise we are all explorers to quote the rebrand but some like to explore in different ways to others and we all should be catered for!!!
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"I realise it's difficult for some caravanners to understand why anyone would want to park/sleep just a few feet from their neighbour, but these are not campsites where other activities are undertaken, vans just park up, and usually leave the next morning or the one after...
so why so negative?
theres nothing satanic it what's being done, we don't grow three heads overnight (despite what some might think)...."
BB - like K before you, I think you are seeing disagreement where none, or little anyway, actually exists. No one, or very few, is arguing against the provision of what you are suggesting. The issue is whether the club is the appropriate vehicle at which to aim this particular provision; you agreed yourself in an earlier post that it wasn't.
I think this has been a good, well balance thread raising what is obviously a very important issue for some ( but arguably not all that many!
).Let's not let it descend into the sort of "us and them" wrangling which has ruined other good threads on CT. 4 -
FWIW, my view is that I don't think the club could/should privide this type of site....I don't actually think anyone will do it from scratch, far too expensive....what I do believe is that the club (and indeed CCC and MC) could offer 'support' (but perhaps not 'consultancy') to show there is a feeling of demand within the club....
yes, we all know CT is a small section, and an even smaller proportion post regularly, but of those that do....id say there was an interest in this sort of provision....as we know, sites like BW, RP, CP etc are well used as is the aire at Canterbury...
I do feel that LAs (all over) could make a half dozen places available in many popular destinations, as long as they are properly managed, policed, and paid for....
im more than happy to pay for an overnight (or even daytime) parking place but I won't pay the club £25-30 for the privilege...
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I don't know how hard strapped your loca LA is BB but I presume many are and if I had to choose between care budget allocation and motorhome parking I think we might see where priorities lie. Although a proposal to think about the introduction of M/H overnight parking in some areas where there are already facilities ie toilets and water nearby is feasible this is already being done by some councils. If this works out well no doubt others will follow suit. I don't see why the club, which provides hundreds of pitches needs to be involved in encouraging people off sites to spend money elsewhere. Not a good business plan for the club.
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Good post, Via. They could apply for crowd funding. 👍🏻
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When caravanning is but a distant memory, there will I feel still be the future incarnation of the "Transit" ilk, so the MHs can be piggy backed onto these? They might be our new tug option even?
Better include provision of electric recharging at each bay in the petition, to offset too early obsolescence.
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Whoa there, don’t you be bringing intelligence & logic to this thread, You’ve ruined it for me now👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂
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Yes there's nothing to stop any LA implementing this in any way that they feel appropriate.
The problems don't lie in implementation but in allocating time and budget to the project. The provision of overnight spaces for motorhomes will probably not feature on most LAs list of priorities and they will wonder why existing campsites can't be used.
So a clearly defined project with financial and other advantages expressed in a sensible and realistic fashion would go some way to raising the profile of the request and that may be where the clubs can help. The petition as worded doesn't really sell the suggestion and certainly doesn't answer the question of 'what's in it for us?'.
I think it's a good idea in theory and I'd be happy to see it move forward but nobody so far in the many years that I've seen it put forward has come up with a sensible business like proposal that has legs.
Sorry to the petition organiser but it's just too far away from a viable idea for me to support at present
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Caravans are already getting lighter and I think you'll find as time progresses the technology to do with alternative fuels will still allow for towing a caravan.
We tow an Eriba glamping van at the moment.
We decided to move from our Bailey and bigger tow car to the Eriba and a more efficient tow car, we haven't missed the big van.
Each to their own and technology will progress, it's a long way off anyway.
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JVB66
The way you are attacking the original poster of this discussion is coming close to the point where you will be breaking the T&C;s of the forum. It is not acceptable that you make accusations about another poster in the way you are. He does not own a company but has a very informative website, at his own expense, offering help on where to find suitable parking places if you are a motorhomer. If you had taken the trouble to read his website you would be aware of this. Such unfounded speculation is unacceptable on this forum.
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i realise it's difficult for some caravanners to understand why anyone would want to park/sleep just a few feet from their neighbour, but these are not campsites where other activities are undertaken, vans just park up, and usually leave the next morning or the one after...so why so negative?
As a tax payer in my town I don’t want to see MH parking/living on our seafront and adding nothing to our economy whilst causing some pollution by emptying waste straight onto our streets and emptying cassettes into our storm drains etc..
I am not against allocating parking spaces for MHs or overnight facilities, properly run and paid for at no cost to local taxpayers. What I object to is someone trying to involve the club in an non inclusive manner.
PS don’t patronise me with your it’s difficult for some caravanners blah blah blah
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When at Cromer last year on the road from Seacroft to the town centre,waste was running Down the hill from a "parked" motor caravan that was there all the week we were at Seacroft and a couple of years ago when we were on the IOW the same at Shanklin, although do not know how long it had been there
And as for toilet cassettes a public toilet cubicle at the P&R at Whitby this year was covered in a very blue colour where some one had emptied theirs
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That does not pan out where we are there are several motor caravans on serviced pitches and there are numerouse other hardstands ,not that they have been needed in the last few months ,the only "sinking"on the grass pitches is down the cracks
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