Interesting petition
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I'm even more puzzled now about why someone who has not only been a member but active in his centre and served on the committee should be using an organisation like 38 degrees to promote this rather than raising it at the club's AGM?
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This Club owns 200 sites - why would it want to encourage its customers to go elsewhere by pressing local councils to open up car parks as Aires.? Shooting self in foot?
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BB was talking about using supermarket car parks which presumably are not barriered and with a welcome sign to use the carpark and opening time of instore bakery. That is what I replied to Jonray.
He was talking separately about Aires which are barriered in the earlier part of his post.
Most car parks nearby are barriered here. Not sure whether local Asda has height barriers but they certainly did have so that they could lower them if and when needed.
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BB Salisbury & Winchester have done it at the P&R for parking only and the Aire in Canterbury P&R is very well used and must bring a lot of cash into the local economy that may otherwise be lost. There may be others but these are the ones we have used and know of.
Stayed at a car park Saturday night overlooking the sea, no facilities other than public toilets but thats all we need, we have water on board and a tank to carry waste away. Pictures attached.
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MichaelT
Thanks for posting the reply you got, I am still waiting for mine
There is a good case to encourage local authorities to provide proper parking for motorhomes, even if this meant slightly higher parking fees because of the greater space taken up. I would have thought that in some areas there is also a case to provide for overnight parking if it helped prevent parking that was an inconvenience to others elsewhere. In such cases water and disposal could also be provided at a cost. (whether this would satisfy those that only wanted free parking I somehow doubt)
The case put forward by the petition originator (from what Michael has posted) seems like he has come up with a good idea and then tried to match the reasons to his idea. Why single out the CMC and exclude the C&CC who arguably already do more to satisfy travelling motorhomers by allowing use of the facilities whilst en route on some sites. By all means have a properly thought through plan to encourage the major clubs, tourist organisations, and local government to work in partnership to achieve the goal but trying to force the CMC to take on the entire mantle is just not going to be successful and in my view is a bit misguided?
David
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its an extension of why some in MH might never want to pay for Serviced Pitch (we never would) as tanks can last 5 days or more even when showering in the van, and over ten days when not...they don't need them, and many vanners don't need (nor want) site showers and public type toilets either....
Many caravanners don't want serviced pitches particularly nor facilities beyond water and waste.
(witness the number of threads where caravanners are seeking out sites, especially a little out of season, which drives their trip parameters, not the other way round).
Is that over here BB as I don't think that I have noticed such threads?
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Good points, David.
How he can pretend this will give MHs parity with caravans, I don’t know. He’s grasping at straws.
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The problem with all this is it is down to local authorities so I think what this may do is get the CMC to campaign on MH behalf so all local authorities can give some parking and/or Aire facilities. IF we take York or any other large tourist area that currently cannot keep up with demand for space at the club sites. If the P&R were to provide say 20 spaces at each P&R then that would free up 60-80 spaces at Rowntree & Beechwood so caravaners would benefit there. Bristol, Bath, Harrogate, Yorkshire Dales and every other tourist place where we want to go but are limited with the type and amount of parking space available.
Its not about freeloading but legitimate paid for parking as that's all we are doing, not getting chairs and awnings out and setting up camp, visiting an area, contributing to the local economy and moving on to the next stopping point.
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Do motorhomers in France join a Club? No way - they just use the network of Aires.
If there was the same network of Aires here would motorhomers join this Club? I doubt it very much. Membership would rapidly shrink.
So if I were a business manager at Caravan Club Ltd I would quietly discourage local councils from opening Aires. Defending the brand they call it.
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3) Why should the club pay for something exclusive to motorhome owners? I'm looking for the needs of Motorhome owners to be represented on an equal footing to those of caravan owners; I believe they are different and understand how unless you have owned both how this is may be difficult to understand.
How patronising is para 3.
Why does this guy believe motorhomers are already treated differently than caravanners. In my view we are all treated equally, we can all book club sites, use CL’s, take out insurance, even get 10 year membership stickers. What this petition is doing is asking the club to treat MH differently and not affording caravanners the same opportunity. Pretty divisive really
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Welcome back from your "sabbatical", BB and thanks for the hint. I just Googled it and apparently it's called "Club Motorhome". Didn't look very far but I assume it's specifically for motorhome owners and, as such, the ideal target for this petition I'd have thought.
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Also the Motor Caravanners Club, M, but as far as I know they only have a virtual presence and no fixed assets by way of sites etc unlike the clubs as we know them. They probably have assets of around £20😂.
No offence intended as I’m sure they provide a great platform for people to interact.
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I presume you are aware of recent problems with travellers on the P&R at Taunton which resulted in the total closure of the whole area twice at a considerable cost to the community both as users and rate payers. Personally I can see why some local LAs might be a bit risk averse to this idea.
Overnight provision of a small amount of spaces in certain popular areas might be a consideration but access to larger spaces might not work.
There is also the ongoing problem of motorhomers parking up near sites and attempting to use the facilities.
What is the difference between those motorhomers who refuse to pay for anything and the ones who are willing to pay. How big is the culture of non-payers I wonder? Would they just move on to new pastures?
There is so much to think about I think I'll concentrate on using sites which have served me well over many years now. They may have their faults but car park life just doesn't appeal.
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