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  • Cornersteady
    Cornersteady Club Member Posts: 14,426 ✭✭✭
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    edited May 2018 #32

    +1

  • moulesy
    moulesy Forum Participant Posts: 9,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited May 2018 #34

    I think there is a major difference between a club site (any club), open to anyone who pays the membership fee, and a private site (be that a large commercial concern or a small CL/CS site) where individual owners, or businesses, can judge for themselves who they wish to allow to use their site (s). In this country there is ample variety to suit everyone, surely. There is no need for the club to restrict choice to any of its members.

  • compass362
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    edited May 2018 #36

    Because the people who own / run the CL's have the option to choose who they allow & who they don't  to use their site .

    Be it children , dogs , single sex gender groups or god forbid retired silver haired members .👍

     

  • fatbelly
    fatbelly Forum Participant Posts: 438
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    edited May 2018 #37

    I welcome the option of adults only CL's & I wish the Club would do adult only areas in Club sites. Last year we went to Penrhos Club site in Anglesey & our evening sat out in the Sun was ruined by parents allowing their kids to run amok around the site. 

    I am not anti child, but I am against parents not having consideration for others & allowing their children to ruin the holidays of others.

  • EasyT
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    edited May 2018 #38

    I suspect that 'based on experience' some CLs decided to exclude children

  • CLMaddie
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    edited May 2018 #39

    Hi Dadof2

    We have nearly 2300 CL sites on our network, each site is independently run by the CL owner. It is up to the CL owner to decide if they would like their sites to be adult only, family friendly, dogs allowed etc. 

    There are many reasons why a CL site wishes to be adult only. If a health and safety risk is present, such as the site being on a working farm or due to their being open water on the site, then the Club would have made the adult only option a condition for them to be a CL Site. 

    Out of the 2300 CL's sites on our network 378 of these are adult only. 

    The uniqueness and range of services that the CL network provides means that there is a CL site out there for everybody.

    I hope this helps and you are able to find suitable CL sites for you and your family to enjoy.

    Thanks

    Maddie

  • harryb
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    edited May 2018 #40

    Well Maddie I wasn't far out in my post when I menioned a figure of 17% were adult only and I worked that out from just 2 counties.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited May 2018 #42

    Definitely the case, ET, having spoken to the odd site owner who have had problems caused by unsupervised children

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2018 #43

    Yes, I suspect many make that decision because of potential issues specifically related to the site itself which are of a crucial consideration, even for the young who are 'supervised'! Thankfully the C&MHC appear to recognise that such sites are not suitable for the club's own network as they do not provide an inclusive opportunity for all members.

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  • mickysf
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    edited May 2018 #45

    That's all very well, but we went to sites which others, I guess, would have suggested had absolutely nothing on site for children. Truth is that we were not really on site for what it offered our children but were there because of what the area offered us. Thankfully the club appear to acknowledge this in their approach to inclusiveness and enjoying and experiencing freedom (for the great outdoors that is not from children)wink. Locality for us, like for many other members I suspect, far outweighed site facilities.

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  • Outdoor Lady
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    edited May 2018 #47

    We have worked with vulnerable, abused or neglected children for the best part of our lives, we both love our job but when we go away we like to be able to chill out so we choose AO sites. ET can you tell me why you think you wouldn't like our mind set ?? I find your comment very judgemental and a tad offensive.

  • eurortraveller
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    edited May 2018 #48

    I like young people, I like families, I like teenagers, I like children, I like grandchildren (I have nine so far). I don't like crotchedly old people who grumble. 

  • SteveL
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    edited May 2018 #49

    Crotchety

    An adjective used to describe an old person. More specifically, someone who seems to hate life in their "golden years" and feels the need to take it out on others.

    Seems a little extreme eurotraveller. I seriously doubt AO sites are full of folk who meet that description.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2018 #50

    So we've been round in circles once again on this topic, it does occasionally crops up, but the status quo is still in place and will continue in my opinion. That is all Club sites are open to all members whilst CLs and ASs can choose, if they wish or need to, their target clientele. For me it matters not a jot whether the CLs/ASs are adult only or dog free but Club Sites remain correctly 'all inclusive' so to speak.

  • Kennine
    Kennine Forum Participant Posts: 3,472
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    edited May 2018 #51

    But Micky, the CMC sites are not at the moment available to all. People have different requirements. 

    Take the case of  people who suffer from cynophobia ( a very common Phobia )----The CMC doesn't cater for them. All that would be required is to have a number of dog free sites within the network where those unfortunate people could enjoy the pleasures of caravanning just like the rest of us.

    One size does not fit all, never has , never will. 

    There are also many who would  welcome a few AO sites within the network.  I see no reason why the CMC cannot run a trial to see how popular or otherwise this option would be. Just for say a couple of seasons, a few sites could be designated AO. If successful the experiment could be extended,  if unsuccessful they could revert to what they are at the moment. The CMC have nothing to lose either way.  

    K  cool

     

     

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2018 #52

    Looked it up have you K? winklaughing

  • Kennine
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    edited May 2018 #53

    EH surprised

     

  • mickysf
    mickysf Forum Participant Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭
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    edited May 2018 #54

    But we are discussing adult only sites, children and possibly dogs! Now if you want to discuss ensuring access to all disabilities, abilities, conditions, syndromes etc then the answer is you have a point, sites possible do not facilitate all needs but non at all are barred. On adult only sites children are 'barred' from staying! Your point may be centred on, in my opinion, making sites more accessible which is a different issue, very important mind but different! What's more, I reckon the club would do all it possibly could to support members specific 'special' needs on their sites wherever feasible and possible. 

  • Kennine
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    edited May 2018 #55

    Unfortunately you have not quoted my full post which did indeed include the AO option. See previous page. 

    This is the whole post  :-  Quote 

    "But Micky, the CMC sites are not at the moment available to all. People have different requirements. 

    Take the case of  people who suffer from cynophobia ( a very common Phobia )----The CMC doesn't cater for them. All that would be required is to have a number of dog free sites within the network where those unfortunate people could enjoy the pleasures of caravanning just like the rest of us.

    One size does not fit all, never has , never will. 

    There are also many who would  welcome a few AO sites within the network.  I see no reason why the CMC cannot run a trial to see how popular or otherwise this option would be. Just for say a couple of seasons, a few sites could be designated AO. If successful the experiment could be extended,  if unsuccessful they could revert to what they are at the moment. The CMC have nothing to lose either way".  

    K  

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2018 #56

    But those unfortunately afflicted with cynophobia are not 'barred' from sites by the 'rules', children at AO sites are. The issue of improving accessibility to sites is a different issue. 

  • moulesy
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    edited May 2018 #57

    And spare a thought for those suffering from hylophobia! (I too can use Google wink). Where do they fit in? surprised

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2018 #58

    Or those afflicted with autophobia!👫👬👭

  • Kennine
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    edited May 2018 #59

    But it is within the power of the CMC to easily correct the situation for cynophobics. As said earlier,--- make a few sites on the network "Dog Free"  leave the rest as they are. --- Sorted !!

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  • mickysf
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    edited May 2018 #60

    If they did though, and in my opinion they won't for the very good reasons already discussed, they may also to some degree be indirectly helping those afflicted by anthropophobia.

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