CAMC sites now getting too pricey
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We can't attempt a motorhome move as they can't be physically attached.
seen many A380s push/pulled with a rope?
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Yup, this one pulled: https://www.logisticsmiddleeast.com/pics-13649-big-pic-dubai-police-break-world-record-pulling-a380
Pushing with a rope is mathematically not possible, didn't you learn anything in maths?
How do Red Pennant / Green Flag etc recover motorhomes? Do they not have tow eye that fits in the chassis / under frame at some point in order to winch them up onto the bed, or a big fothermucker lift unit that picks it up by the front axle? Probably more to do with fear of claim though than not physically possible.
I recall once splicing 2 4x4 jeeps together using a steel rope in order to get down a mountain by push/pull and spinning each other, necessity being the mother of invention. Those that can do
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well KS I'm happy that if you ever fly you would be happy to have your push back like that. I can't understand why airports have these expensive tractors when they could just use a rope?
BTW are you suggesting that the team of wardens line up like that?
And why should the wardens have such recovery equipment on sites?
A warden has posted why it cannot be done, so not just accept it?
Oh and of course it's possible to push with a rope (just think about it, it's a very cool trick)
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Perhaps you’d like to see each site equipped with a beaver tail recovery truck, spec lift, winches, hi-ab and have all the staff trained in specialist recovery techniques, KS? Gee, what’s happened to realism? This is wardens and club sites we're talking about here, not specialised highway recovery crew.
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Only answering your posting.
Might have a look at MHs on site this weekend to understand if they have facility to connect a tow bar, as opposed to a rope.
Not taken notice of what bit of kit has pushed back the aircraft Ive been on in my 4million + miles flown and 1000s of flights all over the world in my lifetime, including several A380 flights
Difficult to see the tug connection from the upper deck in my seat on the Emirates flights Ive been on, the screen in front of the seat only shows a higher forward view.Have lined up 300 men on a rope to position a 92 ton differential on a job in India once. And 20 men on a rope to lift a load beam in Indonesia in the jungle when fixing an aerial ropeway
In both cases machines were not available so the skills learned early on came into play. 0 -
Only answering your mates posting
BTW does your motorhome have a receiver to facilitate recovery like wot cars have? Often behind a dummy plate in the bumper? A towing eye is provided on a car, is one on a MH?
Our MH had fixed facilities on the front and rear chassis legs. but that was a very old design.
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Yes, it does, but what it doesn’t have is an A-frame with a tow hitch at the front to allow the direct connection referred to by the warden. That’s the difference.
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Are the tractors designed to tow anything as heavy as a MH? If they are why could they not use the towing ring, as long as a suitable connection could be made, surely not impossible? If you called out Mayday, would they not use the towing ring?
Sorry just noticed this is supposed to be about prices, I am afraid I have continued off topic.
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Use of any sort of towing rig other that a hitch and tow ball requires training and incurs H&S risks, Steve.
We are not talking about flinging a tow rope round the chassis of a mate’s car here but an operation on commercial premises carried out by a paid employee and which could incur litigation if things go wrong. That’s what it comes down to and not what might be physically possible.
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RE your last sentence. I'll just say "Those that are not allowed don't".
I've already stated upthread, my compact tractor has a solid mounted tow hitch, it's not connected via the three point linkage so uses the maximum permissible towing capacity. There's the thing, a caravan is as I've already stated physically attached the the towball. The tractor I have has a MAXIMUM towing weight of 2000 kilos, which is around 2 ton in old money. Easy T has mentioned an incident while attempting to pull a motorhome and that pretty much sums it up. To avoid any risk to life and property the risk has been taken away completely, quite simple really.
JK
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Dead right TW
Back in the day I've snatched a 35 foot 12 ton RV off muddy grass, Rv gained grip ran into tractor, both very expensive but that was in the days before claim culture.
Towing strops were taken away in 2011 and front towballs went in 2015.
We have very thorough training in all aspects of our role, but common sense says you don't use a tool for a job it's not designed for.
I'm off to polish me mower
JK
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KS, what is it you do now?, other than spin yarns on here. Not that I’m complaining mind, geez I remember wrestling a Bengal Tiger a few years ago. Still walk with a slight limp now. . . .The Tiger that is not me. I’ll save the ‘rescuing a coach full of holidaymakers in the Alps using just a tooth pick & a Fisherman’s sock’ for another day. Have a great day👍🏻😊
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That reminds me of someone else, Rocky. What was his name, again? Italian sounding guy.
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I think He was named after a vehicle. . . .I’ve remembered Tinster-‘Don Vectra’, bosh sorted👍🏻😎
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skills learned early on came into play
I'm please to know that you had good teachers, mmm, hang on I'll expect you now to post you're self taught too as well as all these other tales
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If motorhomes cannot park up on grass pitches comfortably on CMC sites without the risk of becoming bogged down then those pitches are not fit for purpose. End of
If the on site staff do not have the tools to extricate a bogged down motorhome but can extricate a caravan, then the CMC is operating a policy of discrimination.
The Short Term answer is to only allocate hard standing pitches to motorhomes even to the disadvantage of caravans. Obviously the Long Term answer is to build all weather pitches throughout every site..
Will the CMC do anything to correct their deficiencies ? OR are they just interested in the financial bottom line ?
K
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At the risk of drifting even further of topic, if wardens can tow caravans of grass pitches but not motorhomes then it seems sensible to allocate hard standings to motorhomes in wet weather. As a further aside, I am not one hundred percent sure but it looks like the C&CC booking software directs motorhomes onto hard standings. When I have booked with the C&CC I have so far never been offered the option of a grass pitch. It might of course be a function of how large a motorhome you have?
Getting back on topic this is not the only forum moaning about prices with the general consensus, it is cheaper "over there"
peedee
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At the risk of this thread becoming even more boring, I have some facts for you.
The club currently uses the Kubota bx series of compact tractors. I have a 12 year old bx 2200, it has a towing plate of 2000kgs. Newer ones are the bx 235 which have a towing plate of.....2000kgs. There are four john deer tractors on the network that are plated at 3500kgs. It has nothing whatsoever to do with power but all to do with the towing capacity defined by the manufacturer. So if your a class motorhome weighs 2000kgs or less and has a tow hitch on the front we'll gladly give you a pull.
I can't comment on you and others continued negative attitude that in my opinion does nothing to help the atmosphere of this forum, nor can I talk about the original point of the OP that in his opinion sites are too pricey, only the fact that there are five sites in my vicinity and on average we are the second cheapest
JK
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You make some valid points, JK.
I’m currently on a CAMC non-fac site which has been converted to all HS pitches. It’s spacious and attractive with plenty of greenery. The pitches are level and it has every convenience - except a convenience.
And I got change from £15 p/n. What’s not to like?
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it also has something to do with having a rigid towbar or connector? Yes tow your MH off with a rope or bar that perhaps isn't in the centre of your MH and but once you have started moving what happens when you want to stop? The towed MH would have to use it's own brakes, as the driver of the tractor would you trust someone to put on the brakes before it crashes in to you tractor and/or causes possible injury? Even with a fixed off centre tow bar there is a danger the momentum of the heavier MH will push you off sideways.
Would you be happy to be the warden doing the towing like that?
Who pays for the damage and possible claims?
It is another fact of club life to, MH over 2000Kg can't be towed, if that worries then sadly go somewhere where they do, but it is probably the same would happen on non club (CAMC & CCC) sites. In fact probably some wouldn't even try?
No doubt someone will post that over there is a Chinook helicopter on standby
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especially with ... you and others continued negative attitude that in my opinion does nothing to help the atmosphere of this forum
To some everything is a problem on club sites?
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I wonder how you teacher's felt about you leaving?
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