Filling my Fresh water tank.
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thanks, M, im not going get bogged down with you in an argument over who said what, except to say that, despite much support for the OP (from some varied and interesting sources, im glad to see, who dodnt regard the implementation of this sort of service as the nemesis for the club) its the same four or so (no collective nouns allowed
) that really dig their toes in over pretty much any topic in a similar vein......anything to do with refining/changing processes/services in CC world....and the OP ended with 'why isnt this service available from my own club?'.
yes, we know it isnt available now, hence the go elsewhere advice, but the thread is about whether this could be implemented....of course, its all fantasy, as the club rarely (never) change anything, even after an extensive trial of a service members were crying out for....
however, some see 'obstacles' as things to deny progress, others see them as inconveniences to be overcome.
footnote....i had cause to research a site in the Dordogne yesterday (theres an Owners' Club meet there in September) and i noticed at the bottom of the page i was browsing....."service point available to non guests €3." no text about how to deal with the many problems they obviously have in delivering this service (see above constructive objections)
yes, its a continental site, so apologies to those who will now declare this thread null and void (hang on, this is in Chat, so ok?), but it was the one i was looking at....
if i come across any UK sites with the same offering, ill bring it to folks attention , in the interest of balance.
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Just a thought, but we do not know, as the club have not commented on this thread, if they are even allowed to provide the service. When planning approval was granted it would make sense from a local authority point of view to prohibit it. Why would they want to approve an unknown number of vans filling / dumping and camping wild in the surrounding area.🤔
I know some have said the number would be small. But how do we know this to be the case. As far as his thread has shown a low priced solution is not available on a UK site.
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indeed, i (and many others, no doubt) have seen service points on sites being used on loads of the sites weve been on.
surely this makes me (and the above many others) an 'expert' on the subject, compared to those who have seen none of these in action, yet have all the answers as to why it couldn't work.
i remember a site where (both) MHSP's were being used (by guests or not, i couldnt say) so i had to queue....the site didn't grind to a halt, i just waited for 5 mins or so and then drove onto the first vacant MHSP.
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..but this would be a members only service, Steve.....users would be 'verified' via a manual system or (down the line) something more up to date...yes, either way, processes would need to changed to make it work, but the main point is that, something as simple to provide (and to manage) seems apparently so difficult to implement.
on many sites ive seen doing this, the water dispenser accepts a jeton.
guests might (or might not) have access to water on pitches, in which case they wont need a jeton......but, for any guest that does, reception would give them one (to fill for the next leg of the journey) and non-guests would be charged a fee for their jeton.
im not advovating a wholesale change of CC MHSPs to accommodate this process, the market isnt worth it....however, it shouldnt be beyond the wit of one of the UK's largest leisure companies to tweak a few procedures to offer a simple addition to their services portfolio.....
...should it?
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" ..yes, we know it isnt available now, hence the go elsewhere advice, but the thread is about whether this could be implemented...."
BB - at the risk of being accused of being pedantic, surely those are two different points. The thread was originally about it not being available now - it developed, understandably, into a debate on whether it could be made available in future and what changes would be needed to make that possible. My point was that labelling folk who have a particular point of view as making "knee jerk" reactions implies that no thought has gone into their comment s, and how do anyone of us know that?
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Well I sincerely hope you're not aiming that comment at me David! (I'm guessing not, since I don't remember claiming to be a "club expert"). I don't think I've ever been discourteous in my comments to you, certainly not intentionally, nor have I doubted your expertise in staying in the areas you choose to visit, although I may have questioned whether your comments appear in the appropriate section of the forum!
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I think that those who desire courtesy and respect should reciprocate in their own posts. You could try and respect other's view rather and perhaps give the people who posted the courtesy that they might have actually thought their posts through rather than use emotive words like 'knee jerk' or 'digging their toes in'. Btw I could post that from a mechanics point of view it is far more effective to dig your heels in rather than toes, much more force can be used and toes don't dig that well in anyway, but that might sadden some.
Anyway to keep on topic, for my part I haven't expressed a view either way apart saying the club does not offer this service at present and however sadly one will have to go elsewhere if you want this service.
My son travels to a gym 8 miles away rather then the one 5 minutes away as the one he travels to has various training devices which the other one does not. Again he found out by a call/website and based where he goes on what he wants. i suppose if the other gym loses a lot of custom they might have to buy in the expensive stuff as well. Of course if they are getting enough custom and new membership is up, why bother for the sake of a few? (just like the club maybe?)
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Can't say I have noticed the tap and drain DD, just the EHU. Although we have never used one and I have not really ever investigate a LNA area. However, if that is indeed the case it would be an easy option to implement. It would just need a length of waste hose, coiled convieniently, to allow disposal into the drain.
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Ah M, no one could accuse you being pedantic
however, Arty did end her post with 'why is this not available from my own club?' which, to me, is seeking to find why CC cant deliver this service.
yes, the question was asked in the present tense (why not now) but in seeking to find out 'why' we need to explore the 'how' or (in some cases) 'how not' to deliver it.
any discussion (to acheive the change) takes us into the future and would end up as 'being about whether this could be implemented.....'
anyhow, its fairly obvious where everyone stands on this issue and it wouldnt have been difficult to predict the way the debate panned out.
quite a few caravanners (not intended to be a detrimental collective noun but you have to be so careful with some sensitive members) were fairly quick to point out all the disadvantages of a system they wouldnt make use of (bar Rocky who generously conceded that this could still be a useful service to some members
)on the other side of the coin, the expected reaction from those who might use it (MHers, again a harmless generic term....) was that this should be a relatively straightforward thing to implement.
either way, this discussion point (like every other CT suggestion that i can think of which involves actually changing something to do with the way the club works) will never happen
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of course, youre quite correct David
i was generalising but several posters did express a like minded sentiment to yourself
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Back to the question of finding water, if not on a site. The website www.wildcampers.co.uk have developed a list of POIs which gives the location of water taps available to the public. You do have to join the wildcampers to get the POI information.
As an aside I have never knowingly seen anyone using the C&CC £7 a go service on any of their sites I have been on. Also "over there" many sites have the service point outside the gate with a coin or card operated machine for dispensing a metered amount of water.
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I have indeed joined the wildcampers and the MH Browse for sites, all of which are an excellent reference point.
For info as to why I was seeking this service (fill up my fresh water tank); I am driving to Devon but as I felt the journey was going to be too long for boy so I thought I would leave a day early and stay in a country pub car park which I have found is possible with a MH BUT, they do not necessarily have facilities so: although it will be a great, safe place to say, I cannot access water there. Some have suggested that I fill up some bottles. This I do, but perhaps decadently I like to have a shower 🚿 in the morning. With the size of my glutinous maximus a 5 litre bottle or two ain't gonna do it 😬. I cannot fill up at home, as much as I would like to, because our home is a tiny cottage on a tiny lane. Even if the lane were wide enough for me to navigate the MH, the overhanging trees would rip my roof off.
Anyway, the lovely farmer man I store the MH with has said I can use his yard tap. I had not asked him before (not wanting something for nothing and not wanting to inconvenience anyone, to quote some) but he has no problem with that.
So, I still ask the question, why doesn't my club provide this service? Especially (in addition) my next destination after my night of wild camping, is another club site.
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So, I still ask the question, why doesn't my club provide this service? Especially (in addition) my next destination after my night of wild camping, is another club site.
No one on here can really answer that question Artyboo. People can post and speculate but one one on here really knows. but if you really want a 'real' answer you will have to ask the club. Sometimes the club will answer on here but not often/ have so you will have to write in and ask.
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I am not biased in any way but.................I have been a touring caravanner for many,many years.My son in law tried a touring caravan and gave up after a few years (he had no idea how to tow sensibly and kept having to change his under wear!) I have 3 brothers,2 of which have tried touring caravans over the years.All of these people rely on the use of my water barrel,my grey water container and my 7 seat towcar! when on site.They can,i admit,camp off site whilst I am unable to (I am english!)Why on earth should they be alowed to "cheat the system!!!!!!!)
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I have no idea what you mean by 'Cheat the system' ?
Maybe it's me!
We too, toured in a caravan for 'many many years' but circumstances dictated that we had to change to a MH. I would love to go back to the days when we COULD caravan.
Why would wanting to PAY my club for the convenience of filling my on board water tank be construed as 'Cheating the system'?
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The system..........You wish to visit a place which is not your home......you pay to use a plot of land that you do not own!!!!!!!Unless you are what is known as a "traveller" a gypsy,or a motorcaravan owner!!!!!!!!!!(in my opinion!!!!!!)
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So, I still ask the question, why doesn't my club provide this service? Especially (in addition) my next destination after my night of wild camping, is another club site.
I see no way that the club should provide a service which might be construed by others as encouraging wild camping.
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