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  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited October 2016 #32

    What, on my own drive!

    Apologies, I should have read your original post properly but I think you got the gist of what I am saying

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #33

    I must admit, when I had a Saab, you could only remove the ignition key when it was in first gear.

    1st gear? I thought it was reverse gear

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #34

    Anyway .... back on topic. It was a slip up that I am sure the OP won't make again

  • RoyandBev
    RoyandBev Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited October 2016 #35

    I am sure your are 100% right MolliesMummy no intended this to happen just a mad moment and there are very few of us that haven’t had one of those. Most of us make silly mistakes now and then, we are not negligent or deliberately doing these things it is
    just as you say a slip up and fortunately no one hurt, he won’t slip up like that again but will still make mistakes like most of us do from time to time.

  • IanH
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    edited October 2016 #36

    I must admit, when I had a Saab, you could only remove the ignition key when it was in first gear.

    1st gear? I thought it was reverse gear

    You may well be right........it was about 12 years ago.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2016 #37

    We always use parking brake on our Auto Jeep. Star Trek actor Anton Yelchin was killed by his Jeep rolling into him earlier this year. Tragically young, only 27 years old.Sad

  • Navigateur
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    edited October 2016 #38

    There are stories on the news almost every week of vehicles taking off into water while occupied, oftem with tragic results. I wonder how many of these accidents involve an automatic transmission which has had an incorrect gear selected.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2016 #39

    There is mention of a recall on the type of Jeep Yelchin owned, so could possibly be more to it than accidental. Ours has a handbrake, and as with all our cars, we just always use it.

  • cabbiemick
    cabbiemick Forum Participant Posts: 297
    edited October 2016 #40

    I do thousand s of miles a year being a cab wifes range rover is auto my range rover is auto my cab is auto and I never ever use handbrake with no trouble always use park when I drive my daughter's Mercedes she as a stupid foot handbrake 

  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited October 2016 #41

    I do thousand s of miles a year being a cab wifes range rover is auto my range rover is auto my cab is auto and I never ever use handbrake with no trouble always use park when I drive my daughter's Mercedes she as a stupid foot handbrake 

    So as well as illegally parking without applying the handbrake you are also one of the antisocial people that illegally dazzle the driver behind at night because you are too idle to apply the handbrake.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #42

     .... you are also one of the antisocial people that illegally dazzle the driver behind at night because you are too idle to apply the handbrake.

    Where did he say that? I rarely use my parking brake, and never while at traffic lights etc, but if I think I'll be waiting a while I simply press the end of the transmission stalk & put it in Park. 

    Illegal to sit with your foot on the brake? Again, I doubt the illegality as when MB used their fly-by-brakes (SBC) when the car was stopped using 'HOLD' (foot off the brake pedal but held by the hydraulic brake circuit) the brakes lights would be on. 

  • cabbiemick
    cabbiemick Forum Participant Posts: 297
    edited October 2016 #43

    Vulcan you should judge everyone on the way you drive  I have never ever had my driving licence endorsed never had a speeding ticket I am professional driver who had to pass a advanced driving test to get my london cab licence which I have had for over thirty
    years 

  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited October 2016 #44

    Vulcan you should judge everyone on the way you drive  I have never ever had my driving licence endorsed never had a speeding ticket I am professional driver who had to pass a advanced driving test to get my london cab licence which I have had for over thirty years 

    With respect, passing the advanced drivers test does not necessarily make you an advanced driver especially if you think sitting with your foot on the brake at night dazzling the driver behind is acceptable.All that is required in the Range Rover is a flick of a small switch and it even releases itself, is that really too much trouble

  • cabbiemick
    cabbiemick Forum Participant Posts: 297
    edited October 2016 #45

    Valucan Passing an advanced driving test might not make me a advanced driver but my driving record does and if brake lights dazzel you wit tge greatest of respect dont drive in londond as that is all you see maybe your eyes need checking 

  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited October 2016 #46

    Valucan Passing an advanced driving test might not make me a advanced driver but my driving record does and if brake lights dazzel you wit tge greatest of respect dont drive in londond as that is all you see maybe your eyes need checking 

    I fail to see how non compliance with the law for all these years has made you an advanced driver.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #47

    Valucan Passing an advanced driving test might not make me a advanced driver but my driving record does and if brake lights dazzel you wit tge greatest of respect dont drive in londond as that is all you see maybe your eyes need checking 

    I fail to see how non compliance with the law for all these years has made you an advanced driver.

    I can only find reference in the Highway code (114) 

  • Wildwood
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    edited October 2016 #48

    This discussion is getting out of hand and you need to read the rules of the forum. For what it is worth though I do agree that some vehicles brake lights can be dazzling and it is common courtesy to the driver behind to use the handbrake.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2016 #49

    I do thousand s of miles a year being a cab wifes range rover is auto my range rover is auto my cab is auto and I never ever use handbrake with no trouble always use park when I drive my daughter's Mercedes she as a stupid foot handbrake 

    So as well as illegally parking without applying the handbrake you are also one of the antisocial people that illegally dazzle the driver behind at night because you are too idle to apply the handbrake.

    Carp ...............

    Edit: must brush up on my keyboard skills

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #50

    This discussion is getting out of hand and you need to read the rules of the forum. For what it is worth though I do agree that some vehicles brake lights can be dazzling and it is common courtesy to the driver behind to use the handbrake.

    I'm sure the subject of the OP was thinking of other things than brake lights!  

  • Vulcan
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    edited October 2016 #51

     

    I can only find reference in the Highway code (114) 

    Rule 114

    You MUST NOT

    • use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
    • use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You
      MUST       switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see

      Rule 226      ).

    In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic
    moves again.

    Law
    RVLR     reg 27

    And

    Rule 239

     

    • you MUST apply the handbrake before leaving the vehicle
  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #52

    I'd alrady found it .... I even gave the number. But it's still only the Highway Code

  • Navigateur
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    edited October 2016 #53

    I remember reading something quite a while ago when I was looking for something else that point sources of light (such as brake or fog lights) had a greater effect on loss of vision than an overall brigtness.

    Certainly when faced with the driver in front keeping bright lights displayed once stationary, by turning on all one's own forward facing lights one can feel some of the tension ebbing away. 

  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited October 2016 #54

    I'd alrady found it .... I even gave the number. But it's still only the Highway Code

    Generally yes, but when it states "YOU MUST or MUST NOT" it is law and refers to the relevant Road Traffic Act.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #55

    digressing even further Innocent ..... led daytime running lights are often way too bright when the numpty behind the wheel should've put
    his/her lights on but they're too stupid to realise it's gone dark outside

  • volvoman9
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    edited October 2016 #56

    I'd alrady found it .... I even gave the number. But it's still only the Highway Code

    Generally yes, but when it states "YOU MUST or MUST NOT" it is law and refers to the relevant Road Traffic Act.

    Acts are not laws.

    v9

  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited October 2016 #57

    I'd alrady found it .... I even gave the number. But it's still only the Highway Code

    Generally yes, but when it states "YOU MUST or MUST NOT" it is law and refers to the relevant Road Traffic Act.

    Acts are not laws.

    v9

    Wording of The Highway Code

    Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent
    to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an

    explanation of the abbreviations    .


  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #58

    I'd alrady found it .... I even gave the number. But it's still only the Highway Code

    Generally yes, but when it states "YOU MUST or MUST NOT" it is law and refers to the relevant Road Traffic Act.

    Acts are not laws.

    v9

    Wording of The Highway Code

    Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent
    to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an

    explanation of the abbreviations    .


    and still a looooong way from the slip up of the OP

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2016 #59

    There are a surprising number of cars that always have their rear fog lights on, probably because they can't remember where the switch is.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2016 #60

    I rarely need front fog lights. When I do it takes a 20 secs to remember how to operate the switch

  • cabbiemick
    cabbiemick Forum Participant Posts: 297
    edited October 2016 #61

    The highway code is not law it is a set of rules if it was law to use your handbrake while at traffic light's it would hasve a lasw number set by parliament so if your summons to court they will say what law number you have broken

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