Is a 75kg towball limit a problem?

JohnM20
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edited January 2016 in Towcars & Towing #1

I'm looking to replace my 2012 Mondeo (which has a towball limit of 90kg) with a 2015 model. This new model only has a limit of 75kg and I'm a bit concerned about being able to get the noseweight of my Lunar Quasar 524 down to 75kg. With only one gas bottle
in the front locker plus some leveling blocks and with not much in the front internal lockers I have always found it to be a bit of a challenge to get the noseweight down to about 85kg. This is with the majority of clothes in the wardrobe at the rear end and
the Aquaroll and Wastemaster in the shower at the back of the van. We don't always take an awning and, if we do it is usually in the car. Does anyone with a Quasar 524 have any trouble in achieving 75kg maximum?

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #2

    Our Lunar Delta also has problems in getting its nose weight down to 75kg due to gas bottles & a spare wheel up front. I towed it originally with an Omega that had a max hitch weight of 75kg, though I suspect it often had more, with no problems but the car
    had self levelling rear suspension which probably disguised any over weight well

  • xtrailman
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    edited January 2016 #3

    The latest Mondeo has a NW limit of 90kg, 90kg not 75kg as in the brochure.

    Contact ford CS for confirmation if you need it.

    [url=http://www.caravantalk.co.uk/community/topic/111628-ford-mondeo-nose-weight/?hl=+ford++mondeo] LINK[/url]

  • JohnM20
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    edited January 2016 #4

    If 90kg is the noseweight limit is it not strange that Ford have not amended their online specification documentation After several months? I hope it is 90kg as I would like to get a newer model but I'm certainly not going to just believe the CC who have
    said it is now 90kg. When I queried it with them they suggested it might be better if I contacted Ford direct. Unfortunately Ford themselves couldn't confirm the correct figure and suggested I speak with one of their dealers. Talk about passing the buck.

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #5

    I know I will be inviting a response here Molly,but I tow my Delta with a noseweight of 94 kg and have no trouble whatsoever. I cannot achieve the 85 kg with what we take and how I want to travel ,my Lexus 350 RX like your Merc has no trouble whatsoerver
    in doing the job. Stability & acceleration are superb. I am sat down ready and waiting for the flak!  Foot in Mouth

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #6

    My R Class has no problems at all level wise with what goes on or in the back of it, its Airmatic pumps up to suit.

    Ironically it's sat on my drive at the moment feeling poorly ..... I appear to have a leak somewhere and it's let me down as well as itself! I feel a large dent coming in the wallet dept. Sad

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #7

    My R Class has no problems at all level wise with what goes on or in the back of it, its Airmatic pumps up to suit.

    Ironically it's sat on my drive at the moment feeling poorly ..... I appear to have a leak somewhere and it's let me down as well as itself! I feel a large dent coming in the wallet dept. Sad

    Write your comments here...It must be annoying for you as you seem to be able to repair most things relating to vehicles. I hope it is not too costly for you,I bet you fix it yourself when you have found the leak. Best of luck.Surprised

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #8

    I've not had  chance to look since it deflated .... 12 hour shifts for you. I'm off tomorrow and I'll give it a coat of looking at then Happy An
    ex Tiff should at least  be able find an air leak.

  • armourer
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    edited January 2016 #9

    I've not had  chance to look since it deflated .... 12 hour shifts for you. I'm off tomorrow and I'll give it a coat of looking at then Happy An
    ex Tiff should at least  be able find an air leak

    if a tiff cant find a leak you should be demoted to artisan :))

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #10

    ....

    if a tiff cant find a leak you should be demoted to artisan :))

    Thanks! Kiss

    There is a financial incentive to find it myself ..... £1000 or there about for MB to replace the complete unit (they only do the complete unit) or if it's just the bag, they're available from Europe for around £150. LR equivalents are pennies by comparison

  • xtrailman
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    edited January 2016 #11
  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #12

    I've not had  chance to look since it deflated .... 12 hour shifts for you. I'm off tomorrow and I'll give it a coat of looking at then Happy An
    ex Tiff should at least  be able find an air leak.

    Write your comments here...My Son entered as a Tiff came out last year after 27 years piloting Sea Kings & Merlins. He loves his life in Helston near RNAS Culdrose. Now I know you will sort it!....with your background Molly.    Happy

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #13

     .......My Son entered as a Tiff came out last year after 27 years piloting Sea Kings & Merlins. He loves his life in Helston near RNAS Culdrose. Now I know you will sort it!....with your background Molly.  
     
    Happy

    A WAFU then ....... Innocent I only managed about 8.5 yrs Cool

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #14

     .......My Son entered as a Tiff came out last year after 27 years piloting Sea Kings & Merlins. He loves his life in Helston near RNAS Culdrose. Now I know you will sort it!....with your background Molly.  
     
    Happy

    A WAFU then ....... Innocent I only managed about 8.5 yrs Cool

    Write your comments here... Molly you would have been in longer proabley if the wages were what they are now. I know I would, even though I have been lucky mainly through hard work,but I have no complaints.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #15

    ... Molly you would have been in longer proabley if the wages were what they are now. I know I would, even though I have been lucky mainly through hard work,but I have no complaints.

    I really can't remember what I brought home in 88 when I left - it wasn't bad though, I know my first week's wage in Sept 79 was £18 (after food & accom) Surprised

  • JohnM20
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    edited January 2016 #16

    The latest Mondeo has a NW limit of 90kg, 90kg not 75kg as in the brochure.

    Contact ford CS for confirmation if you need it.

    LINK

    Write your comments here... I hate to contradict you, xtrailman, but Ford Dealership Technical Support Departmant have confirmed to my local main dealer that the towball limit IS 75kg.

  • JohnM20
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    edited January 2016 #17

    I know I will be inviting a response here Molly,but I tow my Delta with a noseweight of 94 kg and have no trouble whatsoever. I cannot achieve the 85 kg with what we take and how I want to travel ,my Lexus 350 RX like your Merc has no trouble whatsoerver
    in doing the job. Stability & acceleration are superb. I am sat down ready and waiting for the flak!  Foot in Mouth

    Write your comments here... But isn't part of the question about the security of the towbar to the vehicle body and the strength of the mounting points? Many outfits might be very stable and the car accelerate well but what excessive strain is been put on
    the mountings if the load is above the maximum specified? Everything has a limit before it breaks and dynamic force on a towbar can be far greater than the static force. An unexpected stretch of poorly surfaced road can cause even the, otherwise, very stable
    outfit to pitch excessively and increase the dynamic pressures on the towbar substantially.

  • xtrailman
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    edited January 2016 #18

    The latest Mondeo has a NW limit of 90kg, 90kg not 75kg as in the brochure.

    Contact ford CS for confirmation if you need it.

    LINK

    Write your comments here... I hate to contradict you, xtrailman, but Ford Dealership Technical Support Departmant have confirmed to my local main dealer that the towball limit IS 75kg.

    Write your comments here...No problem i'll post you comment on CT, let them discuss it.

    But have you read the other link i posted?

    [url=http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/community/discussions/information,-technical-tips-advice/towcars-towing/Is-a-75kg-towball-limit-a-problem/rt/1380285/?p=1#index9]HERE[/url]

  • hitchglitch
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    edited January 2016 #19

    If you are going to be towing anything but a compact, light, 2-4 berth I should think that 75 kg limit is a major problem. It seems to me that many large vans are designed to be towed with a 4 X 4. I could not get our Bailey down to less than 100 kg even
    loading the back end and with one gas bottle.

  • JohnM20
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    edited January 2016 #20

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!  I've just been in touch with the CC and told them what Ford have told me, that the towball limit is 75kg. The CC are tellling me that they, the CC, must be correct because they have spoken to someone at Ford who has said the specification
    data is wrong and the limit is 90kg.  Who the h*ll do I believe?  I have asked the CC to provide me with written documentation from Ford supporting their claim of 90kg. So far I have seen nothing but I have suggested that, at the very least, the CC publish
    a note of caution in the magazine that the information that they quoted is being queried and shouldn't, at this stage, be relied on.

  • KellyHenderson
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    edited January 2016 #21

    I have spoken to Ford who did confirm that the handbook went out before they could adjust the noseweight from 75kg to 90kg. The Mondeo that was entered into TowCar of the Year competition did have 90kg noseweight. I am sorry for the confusion. 

    The Mondeo has had a noseweight of 90kg since 2008 so I would be very surprised as to why they would reduce it now, seeing as it is such a capable towcar.

     

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #22

     .......My Son entered as a Tiff came out last year after 27 years piloting Sea Kings & Merlins. He loves his life in Helston near RNAS Culdrose. Now I know you will sort it!....with your background Molly.  
     
    Happy

    A WAFU then ....... Innocent I only managed about 8.5 yrs Cool

    Write your comments here... Molly the W bit is right as he goes Surfing every weekend,but I don't think he will own up to the rest, especially as it came from us Fishheads.   Laughing

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #23

    5  years ago I had a Mondeo Zetec Estate 2 litre . My German Shepperd dog rode in the back all the time we were in the car. My Caravan was as is now a Luner Delta 520 so would appear to be to have a too heavy noseweight. Whether it was right or wrong,I had
    Auto Ballons fitted to the car .I never experienced any trouble whatsoever with stability,ride or acceleration. I loaded the caravan to what I considered to be the best way possible to be safe. We traveled many thousands of miles touring Scotland and much
    of Wales and the West Country with no mishaps. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #24

    ..... Molly the W bit is right as he goes Surfing every weekend,but I don't think he will own up to the rest, especially as it came from us Fishheads.   Laughing

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing 

  • xtrailman
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    edited January 2016 #25

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!  I've just been in touch with the CC and told them what Ford have told me, that the towball limit is 75kg. The CC are tellling me that they, the CC, must be correct because they have spoken to someone at Ford who has said the specification
    data is wrong and the limit is 90kg.  Who the h*ll do I believe?  I have asked the CC to provide me with written documentation from Ford supporting their claim of 90kg. So far I have seen nothing but I have suggested that, at the very least, the CC publish
    a note of caution in the magazine that the information that they quoted is being queried and shouldn't, at this stage, be relied on.

    Write your comments here...A post on the thread on CT, chap says his 2015 manual states 90kg NW.

  • TimJim
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    edited January 2016 #26

    90kg...confirmed by mate a  salesman at Jennings Newcastle.

    Tj