Did you know this? Dashcams in Europe
I came across this website. I had no idea that a dash cam was not allowed in Austria, and some other countries, having used one on our trip earlier in the year was I lucky to avoid a €10000 fine? Just shows you can't take anything for granted!!!
David
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Thanks for the information. That is a surprise and goes against logic / common sense. I’ve just bought my son and daughter one each for Christmas, I’ll make sure they are aware of these laws.
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That will be european harmonisation in action.
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Google Earth or just 'streetview'?
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TF, I would suggest the Dashcam reduces the arguments that Solicitors indulge in & rack up costs. The Dashcam gives a second by second view of any accident giving proof of where the blame lies in glorious HD. They are a boon to the innocent. No one can deny
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Rocky, - Yes I thought that was what I said!
Anyway I am in complete agreement with you.
TF
TF-"the ban on Dashcams is justified" is what prompted my post
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TF, on reflection it can be read both for & against Dashcams depending how deeply the reader looks at it. Regardless, it's not a problem
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I should have headed this up dash cams rather than webcams, I have edited the title of the thread. If in fact what I have posted is correct and I don't know if there is any leeway in the amount of fine there are lots of us who use dashcams abroad.The purpose
of posting this information was to warn people heading for Austria, and other countries, of this local legislation which I was unaware of, a debate on the pros and cons of dashcams was not the intention.David
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Perhaps the CC should look into this and give appropriate and accurate advice (for the whole of Europe) through a prominant piece in the magazine to assist all those who do not follow this forum.
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Perhaps the CC should look into this and give appropriate and accurate advice (for the whole of Europe) through a prominant piece in the magazine to assist all those who do not follow this forum.
Bewick
Good idea as it is clearly not commonly known. When Hazel used to be at the Club and involved with touring abroad she was really excellent on getting the low down from her various contacts across Europe. I don't know if the role that Hazel had has been replaced
withn the Club and if it has its not obvious in terms of contact with this forum so who we would approach is difficult to say..David
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I didn't know about this either, thanks DK. In fact, I'd never stopped to think about it, goes to show you really need to do your homework and research each country's laws, so as not to fall foul of it, even if it is unintentional. Of course, ignorance
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Perhaps the CC should look into this and give appropriate and accurate advice (for the whole of Europe) through a prominant piece in the magazine to assist all those who do not follow this forum.
Bewick
Good idea as it is clearly not commonly known. When Hazel used to be at the Club and involved with touring abroad she was really excellent on getting the low down from her various contacts across Europe. I don't know if the role that Hazel had has been replaced
withn the Club and if it has its not obvious in terms of contact with this forum so who we would approach is difficult to say..David
Can the CT manager advise please
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I wonder if it is possible to disable those vehicles with built in cameras?
peedee
But as far as I know, any built in camera isn't for recording
Not according to the truckers magazines I was reading yesterday while waiting to collect my motorhome after MOT and servicing. New trucks are having built in dash cams. Cars now come with built in sat navs, how long before dash cams are built in?
peedee
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Dashcams aren't illegal in Germany, but it is illegal to show footage containing persons not involved and who have not given their consent to being filmed to a third party, and that includes the police. The same goes for number plates of vehicles not involved
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Google Earth or just 'streetview'?
Yes just streetview, my mistake.
in 2014 was considering a route via Germany, Austria and Switzerlan. Quickly became aware of the lack of Streetview but looking again this year there seems to be more availability. Last time there was no coverage of the route via Switzerland but now there is some for example my proposed route via St Moritz.
In terms of the use of the term 'dashcam' does anyone know if this extends to the use of devices such as Go Pros? Many people use these to capture memories from their trip, an alpine pass drive say, rather than to record ALL their driving??
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In terms of the use of the term 'dashcam' does anyone know if this extends to the use of devices such as Go Pros? Many people use these to capture memories from their trip, an alpine pass drive say, rather than to record ALL their driving??
There is no objection to recording footage of your trip for personal use as a holiday memory, whether by dashcam or any other device, but it is illegal in some countries to allow third parties to access it unless those persons or owners of vehicles identifiable
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From this site in 2014 - https://www.tourenfahrer.de
– Verwirrung
um Action-Cam-Verbot in Österreich – translated into English -A definitive response from the Head of the Tirolean Police force.
Many of you will be aware that the police in the Tirol are considered probably the toughest vis-a-vis motorcycles in Austria, so it is good news that they are quite clear that the law in this matter refers not to personal holiday
videos at all, but to cases where helm or dash cams are used for surveillance purposes on a full time basis, e.g. security cameras.Such cameras do require a licence in Austria.
Personal videos of your ride through the mountains do not!
So we can also be pretty confident this also applies to any other personal use of a video camera whilst taking part in any of the numerous outdoor activities that go on here!
Happily we are told that our own camera, used to film our routes and some of our ride-outs, is also not a ´surveillance´camera, so we can carry on as we have been as well!
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In terms of the use of the term 'dashcam' does anyone know if this extends to the use of devices such as Go Pros? Many people use these to capture memories from their trip, an alpine pass drive say, rather than to record ALL their driving??
There is no objection to recording footage of your trip for personal use as a holiday memory, whether by dashcam or any other device, but it is illegal in some countries to allow third parties to access it unless those persons or owners of vehicles identifiable
in the recording have given their consent.Off topic slightly Lutz, from what you say I guess there is no CCTV in Germany?
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From this site in 2014 - https://www.tourenfahrer.de – Verwirrung um Action-Cam-Verbot in Österreich – translated into English -
A definitive response from the Head of the Tirolean Police force.
Many of you will be aware that the police in the Tirol are considered probably the toughest vis-a-vis motorcycles in Austria, so it is good news that they are quite clear that the law in this matter refers not to personal holiday videos at all, but to cases where helm or dash cams are used for surveillance purposes on a full time basis, e.g. security cameras.
Such cameras do require a licence in Austria.
Personal videos of your ride through the mountains do not!
So we can also be pretty confident this also applies to any other personal use of a video camera whilst taking part in any of the numerous outdoor activities that go on here!
Happily we are told that our own camera, used to film our routes and some of our ride-outs, is also not a ´surveillance´camera, so we can carry on as we have been as well!
That seems a much more sensible approach compared to the original link I posted and I do wonder if something was lost in the original link? Mind you how you prove one is a surveillance camera as opposed to a hobby camera just recording the scenery I am not sure. I just wonder how Austrian TV get on when they do an outside broadcast!!!
David
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Dashcams aren't illegal in Germany, but it is illegal to show footage containing persons not involved and who have not given their consent to being filmed to a third party, and that includes the police. The same goes for number plates of vehicles not involved
in an incident. As a result, they have virtually no value as evidence.So, in a hypothetical scenario where you are using a dashcam and someone crashes into you, it's clearly their fault and it's all clearly recorded on the dashcam, does that have any value at all Lutz ?
Would the police use it in any way ? What about the insurance company ?
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