Great Planning
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Anybody else just getting a bit fed up off folks dissing Britain, its institutions, conventions and its manufacturing?
I have never worked in the public sector or felt any inclination to but I don't see any reason to knock those who do.
Times are coming (IMHO) where we are going to need to pull together not rip each other apart.
Write your comments here... I agree Fysherman. People getting on their high horse and blaming other people on the forum just because they have a different opinion to themselves is unhelpful and devisive. Especially when hijacking the thread to do it.
I support the rights of the poster who posted a possible reason for the delays .It was the valued judgement of a very experienced Gentleman who has great expertise in the Building industry. His knowledge is definitely worth considering.
People should look at every possible solution when confronted with huge delays in building and renovation projects.
A head in the sand attitude will only perpetuate the problem Ad Infinitum.
Nobody who has yet come up with a valid excuse why those projects take such a huge amount of time.
K
...You and/or the building ex spert could always contact the cc sites department to possibly get a difinitive answer rather than make any comments about others ideas
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When Rowntree Park toilet block was refurbished about 10 years ago the site was kept open as a no facilities site. This enabled us to get on for the first time without having to book as soon as bookings opened. When the same site was redeveloped
3 years ago it was also kept open even during demolition works on the warehouse which was then incorporated into the site to provide new pitches. We were on site twice during these works and had no complaints. So work can be done whilst sites are open with
some careful planning and organisation.It does depend on what work is actually being done, but you would think this could work well at Hawes, as the site is effectively in two halves either side of the entrance road. The TB is in the left hand half as you enter.
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Six months closure to refurbish the toilets and do some work on the water supplies??
As someone who has worked in construction and as a project manager all my life, frankly that is beyond ridiculous.
I doubt that this sort of work actually requires a closure (using temporary toilet blocks) and at worst a couple of weeks, if there is some safety critical work.
Still, from an organisation that took two years to carry out a light refurbishment of one of the toilet blocks at Broadway, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs.
..Ian ,do not as usual give a distorted account,as you well know the Broadway saga was "political" rather than extended worktime
JVB - I asked the wardens on the site (who after all, should be the experts in what happens on their site) and they said that the delay was due to a 'problem' found by the contractor (which is what contractors tend to do!).
A cavity / hole under the floor was mentioned. Hardly a problem that would add nearly two years to the programme.
Getting back to topic.....contractor selection is key to getting work done efficiently and effectively, especially when time is critical (and my previous point was that the CC don't seem to see that time (and therefore money) is critical.
I would say that a good shop-fitting type firm (who are used to working around the clock, to get the business back up and running) would easily refurbish a toilet block in 2 weeks......possibly half that time, depending on its size).
All the preparation, planning, consultation etc referred to by ET above should be done in advance, without needing to close the site until the work starts (if then, even).
40 years in construction teaches you these things.
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Six months closure to refurbish the toilets and do some work on the water supplies??
As someone who has worked in construction and as a project manager all my life, frankly that is beyond ridiculous.
I doubt that this sort of work actually requires a closure (using temporary toilet blocks) and at worst a couple of weeks, if there is some safety critical work.
Still, from an organisation that took two years to carry out a light refurbishment of one of the toilet blocks at Broadway, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs.
..Ian ,do not as usual give a distorted account,as you well know the Broadway saga was "political" rather than extended worktime
JVB - I asked the wardens on the site (who after all, should be the experts in what happens on their site) and they said that the delay was due to a 'problem' found by the contractor (which is what contractors tend to do!).
A cavity / hole under the floor was mentioned. Hardly a problem that would add nearly two years to the programme.
Getting back to topic.....contractor selection is key to getting work done efficiently and effectively, especially when time is critical (and my previous point was that the CC don't seem to see that time (and therefore money) is critical.
I would say that a good shop-fitting type firm (who are used to working around the clock, to get the business back up and running) would easily refurbish a toilet block in 2 weeks......possibly half that time, depending on its size).
All the preparation, planning, consultation etc referred to by ET above should be done in advance, without needing to close the site until the work starts (if then, even).
40 years in construction teaches you these things.
Does it teach you to walk on water as well?
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No, but at least I took the trouble to ask the wardens in order to gather the true facts.
Dismiss my experience if you wish, but does someone in the CC estates department (who the week before was probably flogging insurance) have greater experience?
York Rowntree took over 6 months to extend recently. For this they had to knock down a building (one weeks work) and then lay out some new pitches (another 4 weeks work).
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No, but at least I took the trouble to ask the wardens in order to gather the true facts.
Dismiss my experience if you wish, but does someone in the CC estates department (who the week before was probably flogging insurance) have greater experience?
York Rowntree took over 6 months to extend recently. For this they had to knock down a building (one weeks work) and then lay out some new pitches (another 4 weeks work).
...We were at Rowntree during the Preperation work that had been going on for two weeks before we got there,
The caravan parks ltd sparkys that were working near us who were very gratefull to be able to boil up their kettle via our caravan outside socket, were having problems as the wiring diagramms for the site were so old and out of date, because previous works had not been properly overseen (their words),and even longer being held up because of asbestos removel before demolition, was preventing them from certain areas, that were to be demolished ,and power could only be turned off at certain times as in their words again "it would have been much less complicated if the site was closed"and that was just one of the contractors
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Kennine,
Were you perhaps a sailor in a former life before the days of Steam and Motor Vessels?
You do seem to be adept at quickly changing tack to take advantage of the prevailing wind and at time sailing very close to it.+1..Classic
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Clearly you've never worked in construction, JVB.
Lesson one........don't take what the operatives on site say as gospel.
...I would rather take notice of the on the job Qualified "operatives" than,some of the "suits" that pontificate
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Clearly you've never worked in construction, JVB.
Lesson one........don't take what the operatives on site say as gospel.
..And the unqualified staff at Broadway
Presumably then, you won't be giving us the 'benefit' of advice from your 'friends' any more then, JVB?
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Clearly you've never worked in construction, JVB.
Lesson one........don't take what the operatives on site say as gospel.
..And the unqualified staff at Broadway
Presumably then, you won't be giving us the 'benefit' of advice from your 'friends' any more then, JVB?
...Why would that be then ? they and all the wardens on cc sites are qualified to carry out the dutys that are laid down in the job descriptions , as laid out by the cc, when they sign their annual contracts,
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