Great Planning
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Six months to do six weeks' work? Perhaps there is no contractor and the poor warden is having to do it all on his own!
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Near by club sites taken from the Hawes website!
- Lower Wensleydale (15.26 miles)
- Wharfedale (17.1 miles)
- Teesdale Barnard Castle (19.25 miles)
- Richmond Hargill House (21.87 miles)
- Kendal (23.02 miles)
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Near by club sites taken from the Hawes website!
- Lower Wensleydale (15.26 miles)
- Wharfedale (17.1 miles)
- Teesdale Barnard Castle (19.25 miles)
- Richmond Hargill House (21.87 miles)
- Kendal (23.02 miles)
But those distances are as the crow flies, not by routes that are suitable for towing.
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I tend to agree it is not great planning. I too used to live not far away in the lower Wharfedale valley and in practice the 2 sites serve an overlapping visitor area so irespective of how you get to the sites with a van in tow,
it is what you do and where you go whilst there. Unfortunately neither site has more than one toilet/shower block and temporary facilities are never that good. However i do think 6 months seems a rather long time, unless there is other work not referred to?
Nevertheless can you imagine Hoseasons or Travelodge shutting down one of their prime locations for that length of time?! there is also the impact on local business who could notice a drop in trade too, I bet they are not happy! However there is Bolton 'Abbey'
(Priory) site and other non CC sites (yes, they do exist) so the Clubs loss.....0 -
Six months closure to refurbish the toilets and do some work on the water supplies??
As someone who has worked in construction and as a project manager all my life, frankly that is beyond ridiculous.
I doubt that this sort of work actually requires a closure (using temporary toilet blocks) and at worst a couple of weeks, if there is some safety critical work.
Still, from an organisation that took two years to carry out a light refurbishment of one of the toilet blocks at Broadway, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs.
..Ian ,do not as usual give a distorted account,as you well know the Broadway saga was "political" rather than extended worktime
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Six months to do six weeks' work? Perhaps there is no contractor and the poor warden is having to do it all on his own!
...Where is there any mention the work involved could be completed in 6 weeks, when the area concerned in winter months is known to experiance "problems"
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An interesting quote from a previous post might have just hit the nail on the head - The quote ::--
"I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs". End quote.
Taking 6 months to do a six week job seems highly excessive -- Would never be allowed to happen in the Real World. !
K
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temporary facilities are never that good
We have been on several sites where the facilities are of the portacabin type and are fine. Diglea (not our favourite site but very popular) for example. Providing they can connect to mains drains and water a temporary building would be a much better solution
than closing totally.0 -
An interesting quote from a previous post might have just hit the nail on the head - The quote ::--
"I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs". End quote.
Taking 6 months to do a six week job seems highly excessive -- Would never be allowed to happen in the Real World. !
K
..Has anyone real knowledge about it should be "six weeks", or just as so often happens on here ,just supposition?
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An interesting quote from a previous post might have just hit the nail on the head - The quote ::--
"I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs". End quote.
Taking 6 months to do a six week job seems highly excessive -- Would never be allowed to happen in the Real World. !
K
..Has anyone real knowledge about it should be "six weeks", or just as so often happens on here ,just supposition?
Firstly I take exception to Kennine's quip about local authorities. I worked for over 30 years as a highway engineer with Cheshire County Council. During the last 10 years I had many dealings with developers including house builders who repeatedly came back
to use our services and expertise. For me personally I might say to a developer that, allowing for a three week holiday on my part we I could get a scheme onsite within 10 or 12 weeks including survey, design, negotiation with Environment agency, statutory
undertakers, production of full design drawings, tendering with a three week tender period and giving the contractor 2 weeks to start. One developer split a job in two. I said 12 weeks on site with me on holiday for three weeks, a private consultant promised
to do his in 8 weeks. 12 weeks later we were on site. 20 weeks later the consultant hd not started. I used to say that with me you get an engineer - not the office tea lad. Our charge out fees were higher but our actual hours charged were lower - correct.Hence many return contracts.
With regard to the number of weeks 6 weeks sounds do-able if properly resourced. Personally I would have given 8 weeks and been prepared to consider extensions of time on site if the weather was unseasonably bad.
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Are you sure Nellie, could I do them, those miles that is by road in my smallish motorcaravan?
A quick check of Hawes to Kendal site is about 31mls, and to the Richmond site is at least 28mls, by the shortest routes suitable for M/Hs, so it certainly looks like the crow's distances that are stated,
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An interesting quote from a previous post might have just hit the nail on the head - The quote ::--
"I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs". End quote.
Taking 6 months to do a six week job seems highly excessive -- Would never be allowed to happen in the Real World. !
K
..Has anyone real knowledge about it should be "six weeks", or just as so often happens on here ,just supposition?
Firstly I take exception to Kennine's quip about local authorities. I worked for over 30 years as a highway engineer with Cheshire County Council. During the last 10 years I had many dealings with developers including house builders who repeatedly came back to use our services and expertise. For me personally I might say to a developer that, allowing for a three week holiday on my part we I could get a scheme onsite within 10 or 12 weeks including survey, design, negotiation with Environment agency, statutory undertakers, production of full design drawings, tendering with a three week tender period and giving the contractor 2 weeks to start. One developer split a job in two. I said 12 weeks on site with me on holiday for three weeks, a private consultant promised to do his in 8 weeks. 12 weeks later we were on site. 20 weeks later the consultant hd not started. I used to say that with me you get an engineer - not the office tea lad. Our charge out fees were higher but our actual hours charged were lower - correct.
Hence many return contracts.
With regard to the number of weeks 6 weeks sounds do-able if properly resourced. Personally I would have given 8 weeks and been prepared to consider extensions of time on site if the weather was unseasonably bad.
Write your comments here...My Quip -I think not - Read the post again. Then you will notice that the quote about public service was written by a previous poster earlier in the thread. I know it's not your usual Modus Operandi to accuse others erroneously so you have obviously miss-read the post.
On a humerous note the well used phrase " Should have gone to Specsavers" might be an appropriate response,
K
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Kennine,
Methinks you now seek to hide behind the earlier poster. As for “… Should have gone to Specsavers …” being an appropriate response, I did not fail to notice the inclusion of “…might have just hit the nail on the head …” as part of your post and feel that this indicates a measure of agreement. An ‘Error of Judgment’ on your part perhaps?
Posted purely in defence of EasyT. - you understand.
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Six months to do six weeks' work? Perhaps there is no contractor and the poor warden is having to do it all on his own!
Write your comments here...That would be a great shame Nav.
The wardens are very busy people and it would be a great shame to take them away from their primary tasks to do renovation work also.
K
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temporary facilities are never that good
We have been on several sites where the facilities are of the portacabin type and are fine. Diglea (not our favourite site but very popular) for example. Providing they can connect to mains drains and water a temporary building would be a much better solution
than closing totally....But as an earlier post ,if as some think the that those few who post on here are a broad spectrum of the membership?, If the club went down the route of keeping the sites open while they are building sites, when reviews of sites that have any noise nearby
are poor would there be enough space on here for the "complaints",
As we all know by some of the posts about most things the club is between a "rock and a hard place"
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I too take exception at those who have decided to use council workers as something to deride and sneer at, without I am guessing much knowledge of actually being a local authority employee. I looked after something like a £100m budget in my time, and was
like a Rottweiler with both the staff and contractors who were being paid or carried out the work under that budget.I was informed lots of times that had I wanted to I could have earned double my salary working in the private sector, had I chosen to turn my back on the workplace, bosses and colleagues who had supported me in my training and then delivering services. So
please don't fling random suppositions or bad mouth those who cannot defend their methods of working.0 -
Six months to do six weeks' work? Perhaps there is no contractor and the poor warden is having to do it all on his own!
Write your comments here...That would be a great shame Nav.
The wardens are very busy people and it would be a great shame to take them away from their primary tasks to do renovation work also.
K
..Health and safety regulations have already stopped that sort of work that they willingly undertook in the past
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The 'Public Sector' is not the preserve of ‘the halt the lame and the lazy’, neither does it have at its core and ethos of ‘Plenty more where that came from’, as those traits and people are found in all walks of life. This kind of posting amounts to ‘just
pick a target, easiest one you can find and pull the trigger’, with no thought of the resultant consequences.
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Six months closure to refurbish the toilets and do some work on the water supplies??
As someone who has worked in construction and as a project manager all my life, frankly that is beyond ridiculous.
I doubt that this sort of work actually requires a closure (using temporary toilet blocks) and at worst a couple of weeks, if there is some safety critical work.
Still, from an organisation that took two years to carry out a light refurbishment of one of the toilet blocks at Broadway, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs.
What is this mentality of which you speak?
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The 'Public Sector' is not the preserve of ‘the halt the lame and the lazy’, neither does it have at its core and ethos of ‘Plenty more where that came from’, as those traits and people are found in all walks of life. This kind of posting amounts to ‘just
pick a target, easiest one you can find and pull the trigger’, with no thought of the resultant consequences.....Good post , but then we have the blinkered out look of some who post on here is to knock anything,that they have not really any sensible or constructive answer to
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Anybody else just getting a bit fed up off folks dissing Britain, its institutions, conventions and its manufacturing?
I have never worked in the public sector or felt any inclination to but I don't see any reason to knock those who do.
Times are coming (IMHO) where we are going to need to pull together not rip each other apart.
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There are good and bad examples in every walk of life, and in every place on Earth. Lumping them together to score a point is discriminatory, misinformed and ignorant as far as I am concerned. I make no apologies for my post defending council workers, because
it was my career, I loved it and like to think that along with the hundreds of staff I co- managed, we made a lot of people happy, and taught them how to achieve some life skills, sent a few off to true sporting greatness and had a great deal of fun doing
it. I terminated a few contracts as well, they weren't all angelic staff, but the greater majority worked hard and did all that was asked of them and on occasion a lot more.I can't comment on the Club Site refurbishment because I have no information about what is being done, who is doing it, when they start, what the weather is going to be like, are elements of the work sub contracted, are planning regs involved, could Hawes
flood, will Grassington suffer a power cut, blah, blah blah.... All things for the Club to ponder on, and members to be patient and understanding about? Lots more sites to take in in the meantime!
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There are good and bad examples in every walk of life, and in every place on Earth. Lumping them together to score a point is discriminatory, misinformed and ignorant as far as I am concerned. I make no apologies for my post defending council workers, because
it was my career, I loved it and like to think that along with the hundreds of staff I co- managed, we made a lot of people happy, and taught them how to achieve some life skills, sent a few off to true sporting greatness and had a great deal of fun doing
it. I terminated a few contracts as well, they weren't all angelic staff, but the greater majority worked hard and did all that was asked of them and on occasion a lot more.I can't comment on the Club Site refurbishment because I have no information about what is being done, who is doing it, when they start, what the weather is going to be like, are elements of the work sub contracted, are planning regs involved, could
Hawes flood, will Grassington suffer a power cut, blah, blah blah.... All things for the Club to ponder on, and members to be patient and understanding about? Lots more sites to take in in the meantime!yes good post, especially the high lighted above. None of us know what work is to be done so can anyone speculate on the amount of time needed.
If it was 6 weeks some would complain that its being rushed!
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Anybody else just getting a bit fed up off folks dissing Britain, its institutions, conventions and its manufacturing?
I have never worked in the public sector or felt any inclination to but I don't see any reason to knock those who do.
Times are coming (IMHO) where we are going to need to pull together not rip each other apart.
Write your comments here... I agree Fysherman. People getting on their high horse and blaming other people on the forum just because they have a different opinion to themselves is unhelpful and devisive. Especially when hijacking the thread to do it.
I support the rights of the poster who posted a possible reason for the delays .It was the valued judgement of a very experienced Gentleman who has great expertise in the Building industry. His knowledge is definitely worth considering.
People should look at every possible solution when confronted with huge delays in building and renovation projects.
A head in the sand attitude will only perpetuate the problem Ad Infinitum.
Nobody who has yet come up with a valid excuse why those projects take such a huge amount of time.
K
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When Rowntree Park toilet block was refurbished about 10 years ago the site was kept open as a no facilities site. This enabled us to get on for the first time without having to book as soon as bookings opened. When the same site was redeveloped 3 years
ago it was also kept open even during demolition works on the warehouse which was then incorporated into the site to provide new pitches. We were on site twice during these works and had no complaints. So work can be done whilst sites are open with some careful
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