Great Planning

JohnM20
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edited September 2016 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches
in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

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  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #2

    I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches
    in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

    ...Not that close and hopefully all sorted before they get busy

  • JohnM20
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    edited September 2016 #3

    I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches
    in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

    ...Not that close and hopefully all sorted before they get busy

    Write your comments here...They are only 28 miles apart and two of only four sites actually in the Yorkshire Dales, the others being at Skipton and Leyburn. I still think it is bad planning. It also seems a long time to do the work that is described in the
    magazine.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #4

    I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

    ...Not that close and hopefully all sorted before they get busy

    Write your comments here...They are only 28 miles apart and two of only four sites actually in the Yorkshire Dales, the others being at Skipton and Leyburn. I still think it is bad planning. It also seems a long time to do the work that is described in the magazine.

    ...It might be that the cc have got a "deal" with one firm to carry out the work and being "close" both work sites can be tied together by contractors? ,ps no mag yet so do not know what the work is

  • JohnM20
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    edited September 2016 #5

    I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches
    in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

    Write your comments here...At both sites it is refurbish the shower block, refurbish the water points and convert the motorhome waste water point to 'open grid'. Over six months to do this at each site seems an awfully long time

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #6

    I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

    Write your comments here...At both sites it is refurbish the shower block, refurbish the water points and convert the motorhome waste water point to 'open grid'. Over six months to do this at each site seems an awfully long time

    ...Then it is quite possible that the water and waste supplys will need work as well,and as it is during the "winter" it starts , it could be giving a bad weather allowance ,several sites in recent years have opened earlier than date given 

  • papgeno
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    edited September 2016 #7

    There might be contingencies built in for the winter weather this is the Yorkshire Dales after all

  • Navigateur
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    edited September 2016 #8

    Would either site normally be closed during this period anyway?

    It is not at all difficult to bring in a portable toilet/shower block on the back of a lorry.  Other work in phases and we the members could continue to use the site.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #9

    I have just read in the new club magazine that the CC site and Hawes is being closed from January until July next year. The clever thing by the club is that they are also closing the site at Grassington at exactly the same time so that is almost 300 pitches in relatively close proximity that are not going to be available for several months. Great planning CC!

    ...Not that close and hopefully all sorted before they get busy

    Write your comments here...They are only 28 miles apart and two of only four sites actually in the Yorkshire Dales, the others being at Skipton and Leyburn. I still think it is bad planning. It also seems a long time to do the work that is described in the magazine.

    Sorry John and the "liker"

    They are about 60 miles apart via Ripon and about 50 miles apart via Ingleton.

    You cannot sensibly take a Caravan over Kidstones pass and there is no CC site in Skipton. The nearest is Bolton Abbey about 7 miles away.

    I live in the area.

  • JohnM20
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    edited September 2016 #10

    Why not do one site in 2017 and the other in the second half 2017 or spring 2018 and keep at least one mid Dales site available at all times? It may also have been possible to declare the site as having 'no toilet block' whilst the work is done. Many of
    us manage perfectly well at sites or CLs of this sort. The CC could even reduce the capacity so as not to impede the work. At least there would be some income for the CC and many members would probably be happy.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #11

    We cannot possibly know why CC have timed the work and closures in this manner. It's certain there will be a good reason though as they won't want to lose more income than is absolutely necessary. We simply aren't party to the reasoning but can't assume it's bad planning as it might actually be very good planning. 

  • huskydog
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    edited September 2016 #12

    Hoping to go to Hawes in September (next year), so should all be done by thenHappy

  • JohnM20
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    edited September 2016 #13

    Would either site normally be closed during this period anyway?

    It is not at all difficult to bring in a portable toilet/shower block on the back of a lorry.  Other work in phases and we the members could continue to use the site.

    Write your comments here...Hawes site opens 1st March to 6th January and Grassington 27th February to 4th January (2015 /16 Handbook dates),   so both are usually open almost all year.

  • JohnM20
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    edited September 2016 #14

    We cannot possibly know why CC have timed the work and closures in this manner. It's certain there will be a good reason though as they won't want to lose more income than is absolutely necessary. We simply aren't party to the reasoning but can't assume
    it's bad planning as it might actually be very good planning. 

    Write your comments here...Perhaps the CC could have indicated the reasons for closing both sites at the same time in the article about them in the magazine. Surely they could have guessed that someone (like me) would query it.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #15

    I can see now the comments, if the cc went down the road of trying to keep a site open ,when major work is in progressUndecided

  • huskydog
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    edited September 2016 #16

    A no-win situation.................

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #17

    We cannot possibly know why CC have timed the work and closures in this manner. It's certain there will be a good reason though as they won't want to lose more income than is absolutely necessary. We simply aren't party to the reasoning but can't assume
    it's bad planning as it might actually be very good planning. 

    Write your comments here...Perhaps the CC could have indicated the reasons for closing both sites at the same time in the article about them in the magazine. Surely they could have guessed that someone (like me) would query it.

    They possibly assumed that most members, like me, would accept the inevitability of the situation. 

    Why not contact CC and ask?

  • MichaelT
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    edited September 2016 #18

    Perhaps they are going to turn the water off but whatever they do they will be damned if they do and damned if they dont!!

  • Fisherman
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    edited September 2016 #19

    Agree about the planning. Many of uswould use both sites pus probably Bloton Abbey on a visit tothe Dales  as a tour.  So the Yrkshire Dales closed for CC members for 6 months - Great.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #20

    Agree about the planning. Many of uswould use both sites pus probably Bloton Abbey on a visit tothe Dales  as a tour.  So the Yrkshire Dales closed for CC members for 6 months - Great.

    You can stay on my driveway Fish.

    Might even take you fyshing on the Wharfe/Ribble

  • dunelm
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     So the Yrkshire Dales closed for CC members for 6 months - Great.

    Write your comments here...

    This is not true. The Dales will still be "open". There are sites other than Caravan Club sites. CC members aren't barred from using them.

  • Moetmum
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    edited September 2016 #22

    I have stayed several times at another site in Hawes which is only a short walking distance from the CC one.  Years ago we stayed at another site just up the road from the CC site too, I had a tent in those days but my parents had a caravan.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #23

    There are a lot of sites in the dales, so many the local planning office want to reduce the number of rallies held in the area.

  • dunelm
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    edited September 2016 #24

    There are a lot of sites in the dales, so many the local planning office want to reduce the number of rallies held in the area.

    Write your comments here...

    So why did you post that the Yorkshire Dales will be "closed for CC members for 6 months"?

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #25

    I didn't.

    You got me mixed up with someone else.Happy

    Easily done.

  • dunelm
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    edited September 2016 #26

    I didn't.

    You got me mixed up with someone else.Happy

    Easily done.

    Write your comments here...

    Please accept my apologies

    "I" see my mistake. Obviously we both agree that the Yorkshire Dales are not closed for part of next year.

    I hope I haven't upset or offended you. I really must read names more carefully! Sorry.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #27

    Hey mate, I am not offended in the slightest.

    I really would be in trouble if the dales were closed, I would not be able to get homeHappy

  • Wildwood
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    edited September 2016 #28

    This year we had Richmond and White Water closed at the same time and both close together, looks like a theme.

  • Fisherman
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    edited September 2016 #29

    Sorry-Amending my post- The Dales will be open and no doubt as usual we will come particulatly to fish the Ure. Usually based in Hawes and like another poster we have used the other commercial sites in the past as well as CC.  Once you get a taste and find
    the quality of other providers you  tend not to return to CC.

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #30

    Six months closure to refurbish the toilets and do some work on the water supplies??

    As someone who has worked in construction and as a project manager all my life, frankly that is beyond ridiculous.

    I doubt that this sort of work actually requires a closure (using temporary toilet blocks) and at worst a couple of weeks, if there is some safety critical work.

    Still, from an organisation that took two years to carry out a light refurbishment of one of the toilet blocks at Broadway, this shouldn't come as a surprise.

    I'm afraid that the civil service / council type mentality must operate within the CC HO staff.......plenty more money where that came from and the more we spin it out, the more we protect our jobs.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited September 2016 #31

    Contingency planning should anything go wrong, Ian.Wink

    It's easier and better practice for them to open earlier than stated than to have to cancel bookings, so disappointing members, should the project over-run.