Pitching Instruction
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Good post Micky, I usuallytake a look at where the next pitch is, if its clearly going to be more than 6m to the next caravan then if I'm within six inches either side
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As I see it many of us have tried to move the discussion forward in a positive and friendly manner, others may appear to have a different agenda. Let's get back to reasoned discussion. So I ask, what should the tolerance off peg be, what should it be determined by?
For me this tolerance should be determined by the regs and the peg is there to guide us in getting it right. For some of us being slightly off peg may be 'acceptable' according to ground measurements. For others one inch may just be too far off in every pitch instance! However, in no instances should pitching which contravenes the regs themselves be left unaddressed.
It may be that some however just do not want wardens to use their legitimate initiative, discretion and common sence in any instance even when this results in no regulations being broken.
Mickey......I don't think anyone is saying that a few inches off the peg is a problem (I doubt that sites are set out that accurately).
What we are talking about here are people pitching several feet from the peg, or even on the wrong side of it. And wardens ignoring tbe fact that this happens, despite the risk to life and limb.
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Micky, I think Barking's got it exactly right. He uses WD when there's no compromise of safety but still makes the camper aware of his mis-pitching. It sounds exactly right to me.
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As I see it many of us have tried to move the discussion forward in a positive and friendly manner, others may appear to have a different agenda. Let's get back to reasoned discussion. So I ask, what should the tolerance off peg be, what should it be determined by?
For me this tolerance should be determined by the regs and the peg is there to guide us in getting it right. For some of us being slightly off peg may be 'acceptable' according to ground measurements. For others one inch may just be too far off in every pitch instance! However, in no instances should pitching which contravenes the regs themselves be left unaddressed.
It may be that some however just do not want wardens to use their legitimate initiative, discretion and common sence in any instance even when this results in no regulations being broken.
Mickey......I don't think anyone is saying that a few inches off the peg is a problem (I doubt that sites are set out that accurately).
What we are talking about here are people pitching several feet from the peg, or even on the wrong side of it. And wardens ignoring tbe fact that this happens, despite the risk to life and limb.
that's exactly what I said! The only difference may be that I do not see it being ignored! That's not to say it doesn't happen but just that I do not witness it! The only time I have witnessed units being what for some may be significantly off peg has been at the end of 'rows' where there is no unit on the other side or where huge gaps between pitches are very apparent . To me these instances were acceptable if the warden accepts the legitimacy of pitching this way and they do not compromise the regs. In other words discretion and common sence has been applied!
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Micky, I think Barking's got it exactly right. He uses WD when there's no compromise of safety but still makes the camper aware of his mis-pitching. It sounds exactly right to me.
+1 me to!
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It all seems a great shame that the Caravan Club decided there was a safety problem under some Health & Safety issue some time ago regarding the closeness of vans and fire risk. So they decided to instigate a system to bring in a safe pitching system. How
much time and money were involved will never be known but carry it out they did then educate the members as to why there is a need for this. Their duty done they then have a warden’s conference and according to a wardens earlier post encourage them to show
more flexibility to the rules in order not to be seen as acting in an authoritarian manor. However not to the extent of allowing dangerous practices to impact on others. What appears dangerous to one warden might not be to another. So what was the point of
the exercise?Many posts on here in the past have argued about the breaking of rules on site and the lack of intervention by the wardens to police those rules. Now we know why.
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It all seems a great shame that the Caravan Club decided there was a safety problem under some Health & Safety issue some time ago regarding the closeness of vans and fire risk. So they decided to instigate a system to bring in a safe pitching system. How
much time and money were involved will never be known but carry it out they did then educate the members as to why there is a need for this. Their duty done they then have a warden’s conference and according to a wardens earlier post encourage them to show
more flexibility to the rules in order not to be seen as acting in an authoritarian manor. However not to the extent of allowing dangerous practices to impact on others. What appears dangerous to one warden might not be to another. So what was the point of
the exercise?Many posts on here in the past have argued about the breaking of rules on site and the lack of intervention by the wardens to police those rules. Now we know why.
You might know why. I have little idea what the point is you are making and will not try and second guess
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What appears dangerous to one warden might not be to another.
Harry, 6m is 6m. No ifs, no buts.
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The site I'm on tonight has fairly good size pitches, the warden explained quite clearly how one should pitch. Yet the motorhome next to me is parked the wrong side of the peg, he has gone nose in so his door now opens out onto the grass strip, his car is
parked the other side of his motor home. Earlier I had a word with the warden who has confirmed it breeches the safety distance. The warden was not able to speak to the owner as he was out, he has now returned but too late for the warden to speak to him tonight,
hopefully in the morning this discussion will take place. On looking around the site I can see a number of outfits are parked away from the peg, some just inches but others the complete wrong side. The warden did explain and provided a drawing which she highlighted
the correct way to pitch, its not their fault that some folk are complete numpties.0 -
It all seems a great shame that the Caravan Club decided there was a safety problem under some Health & Safety issue some time ago regarding the closeness of vans and fire risk. So they decided to instigate a system to bring in a safe pitching system. How much time and money were involved will never be known but carry it out they did then educate the members as to why there is a need for this. Their duty done they then have a warden’s conference and according to a wardens earlier post encourage them to show more flexibility to the rules in order not to be seen as acting in an authoritarian manor. However not to the extent of allowing dangerous practices to impact on others. What appears dangerous to one warden might not be to another. So what was the point of the exercise?
Many posts on here in the past have argued about the breaking of rules on site and the lack of intervention by the wardens to police those rules. Now we know why.
may be that's why it was addressed and explained collectively! So that discrepancy and misunderstanding was eliminated and a corporate understanding was definatively expressed.
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revisited a site recently and was asked the usual "been here before" question - yes - ok so you know how to park to tthe peg - yes - cool crack on - later a later arrival parked with the peg against the wrong corner - site wasn't busy no issues - at the
service point the next morning warden had a quite in the passing word and it was explained it was health and safety and gapping helped all that - the owner said it was their first time out and thought they would park further away to provide more privacy for
the next space that was occupied - honest mistake, warden handled excellently as a little training and owner was very happy with the explanation - good outcome for everyone - it was a Motorhome and when they returned later that day they got it right - result0 -
revisited a site recently and was asked the usual "been here before" question - yes - ok so you know how to park to tthe peg - yes - cool crack on - later a later arrival parked with the peg against the wrong corner - site wasn't busy no issues - at the service point the next morning warden had a quite in the passing word and it was explained it was health and safety and gapping helped all that - the owner said it was their first time out and thought they would park further away to provide more privacy for the next space that was occupied - honest mistake, warden handled excellently as a little training and owner was very happy with the explanation - good outcome for everyone - it was a Motorhome and when they returned later that day they got it right - result
Exactly the sort of scenario Barking was talking about. If H&S isn't compromised then let it go but make the perpetrator aware of his error. Well done that warden.
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I think the early post from a warden shows that on occasion they speak to people but dont ask them to move - ie pointing out the pitching error but that on this occasion it doesnt cause a problem so not actually asking them to move their van.
If they are the end of a row, or next to a service point/path etc, where it doesnt matter as it doesnt cause a safety issue this seems to be good way to deal with it but might appear to others that nothing is being done.
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I think the early post from a warden shows that on occasion they speak to people but dont ask them to move - ie pointing out the pitching error but that on this occasion it doesnt cause a problem so not actually asking them to move their van.
If they are the end of a row, or next to a service point/path etc, where it doesnt matter as it doesnt cause a safety issue this seems to be good way to deal with it but might appear to others that nothing is being done.
The problem with this approach is that others will also see the incorrect pitching and decide that correct pitching obviously does not matter.
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I think the early post from a warden shows that on occasion they speak to people but dont ask them to move - ie pointing out the pitching error but that on this occasion it doesnt cause a problem so not actually asking them to move their van.
If they are the end of a row, or next to a service point/path etc, where it doesnt matter as it doesnt cause a safety issue this seems to be good way to deal with it but might appear to others that nothing is being done.
The problem with this approach is that others will also see the incorrect pitching and decide that correct pitching obviously does not matter.
Why should someone's incorrect pitching steer you down the rebellious road, thinking 'if they can then I can' attitude.
Just do as was pointed out to you by the warden, if it affects you then tell him and if not then keep your porky out and do best what you came for, enjoying the break.
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Seeing many caravans parked a couple of feet away from a peg and you then copying it could hardly be classed as 'rebellious'.
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Hi everybody,
I’ve removed all disruptive and off topic posts from this thread, please can I remind everyone to stick to the Community Guidelines when posting. If you are unhappy with the way somebody is posting, please contact me at
community.manager@caravanclub.co.uk and I will do my best to rectify the situation.In response to the OP: As Barking50 had previously mentioned, everyone is reminded how to pitch when they arrive on site. If a Warden sees an outfit pitched incorrectly, but the outfit is not in contravention of any safety rules, the Warden may
have a quiet word with the members, or use their discretion and ask the members to move if they feel it is necessary. If you are concerned about the pitching of any outfit on site, please alert the Warden and they will do their best to help you. If you feel
the problem is still unresolved, you are more than welcome to contact Head Office with your query. I hope you enjoyed your holiday and I also hope that I have cleared things up.Thanks
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If the CC head office are instructing the wardens to back pedal on enforcing Head Office's own current site rules, including the pitching rules, what guidance have they given the poor wardens as to what specifically to ignore.
If no guidance has been given then there will be as many interpretations of the CC site rules as there are wardens.
Surely if CC head office feel that the current rules are no longer relevant, they should, for reasons of clarity, publish a complete new amended set of rules which they want implemented across their network of sites. That way there will be complete standardisation no matter which CC site a customer chooses.
K
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The pitch currently at the side of us is quite a generous size as it is the last in the row. A small camper an has just pulled in and set up with his near side to the peg. I'm fairly sure that he will have been told by the warden how to pitch as I was when
we arrived even though she had commented on my 28 years membership and she was sure I would know how to do it but, as she said, "I tell everyone and then there can be no mistake". I wonder which bit of the instruction was difficult for the new-comer to understand?As it happensit doesn't bother me in the slightest as it just gives me far more space than I would ever need but about 6 feet less for the new-comer on his off-side.
On the point of warden's disgression regarding pitching, we were recently on a very wet CC site and the warden asked us to pitch in line with the peg but about 20 feet in front of it. This was fine by us but it did mean, because of the layout of the site
that we were then less than three metres from the next pitch. As it happened, this was occupied by a seasonal caravan with no one using it at the time so the chance of a fire spreading from it to my caravan was almost non-existent but it could have gone the
other way. The warden didn't really have much choice other than to turn us or others away from the site.0 -
How does the warden know that Harry is such an experienced vanner ?
Because on his membership card, which the wardn will have looked at while booking him in, has the years of membership printed on it. Simples!!
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How does the warden know that Harry is such an experienced vanner ?
Because on his membership card, which the wardn will have looked at while booking him in, has the years of membership printed on it. Simples!!
Mine says 3 years.
First joined in 1982. All the card says is the number of unbroken years.
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I wonder if it really is just the new members who are repeatedly off peg. May be that adage 'teaching new tricks' or just a stubborn resistance to change may play a part amongst some of us long termers.
May be its wise just to remind all!
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