Pitching Instruction
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That is the problem, Rovinmad.
You point out that someone is doing something wrong and they try to turn it into you doing something wrong and it could spoil your holiday.
That's why the wardens must really get on and enforce these rules, not simply explain them from the 'safety' of their office.
don't think anyone really can argue with this and also that if they have a non standard outfit they must ask for guidance first, prior to pitching up, if they are needing to do so in a 'modified' way in order to maintain firebreaks etc.
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We have an example here, 2 pitches along from us.
We arrived 2 days ago and pitched correctly, to our right was a similar size pitch with only a MH on it. They were pitched with the peg to the centre of the back of the MH, but still an OK distance from us as pitches are large.
When they left yesterday we discovered why they had pitched like that........the van on the next pitch along is pitched almost up to the LH side of their pitch. They have van/awning/car.
A new van has just arrived to use the empty pitch......I wonder how they will pitch.
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Presumably they have some sort of 'cloak of invisibility' around them, that prevents just wardens from being able to see them?
Yes I think you are right Ian - I think those cloaks must have been an Aldi special offer as many people on CC sites seem to wear them when playing ball games on site, driving in excess of the speed limit and other popular pastimes. Or maybe the wardens
give them away to the chosen few - using their discretion of course!0 -
Well it looks like there has been 2 fires on CC sites this year. Mine was at Nunnykirk Northumberland, 28th May. As already said, 1 is to many 2 is way to many. Does not matter what caused the fires too the caravans, the 6mtr rule must be respected.
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Well, the new arrivals have pitched correctly to the peg, so the spacing between them and their neighbours is now very tight.
As we arrived back this afternoon, a fairly large MH was reversing onto a pitch near a bend in the site road, Not only has he not gone as far back as he could have so now has his nose right up to the edge of the road, but he is parked totally on the wrong
side of the peg, so far too close to his neighbour.The inability of some to follow simple instructions is beyond understanding. I wonder if anyone will suggest he moves.
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If somebody does pitch significantly differently we will point out that they have done so but will only ask them to move if as a result they are contravening the fire spacing regulations or causing inconvenience to another member. Please do not assume they
remain there because the warden has failed to do his job!Barking50 to challenge your post with the last two parts above
Every pitch with a blue or white peg must surely have been carefully measured to assess the risk and the decision made for safe distance. So anyone contavening the peg position must be placing themselves and the van on the next pitch at risk.
The last sentence backs up the fact that the warden hasn't done his job hence they assume they are ok
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I had always thought the purpose of going away in the caravan/motorhome was to relax and enjoy life or have I got that wrong? In the 35 years I have been a member of the Club I have nearly always been reminded how I should pitch my unit. Having said that
it is not my wish to police the rest of the campsite. If someone pitched next to me in such a way that was incorrect in terms of the prescribed way and was affecting the enjoyment of my stay I would discuss it with the warden and leave him to sort it out.
If it has no affect on the enjoyment of my stay what business is it of mine go round with a clipboard and take the results to the warden? I think people need to chill out a bit!!!David
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No need for a clipboard David, the wardens should have one in use. As you say, we are not there to police the site but to enjoy our stay, better things to do than walk around picking faults.....
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The CC has in their wisdom drawn up a set of site rules to enable all who follow those rules to have an enjoyable stay on their sites.
The CC appoint and pay a salary to site wardens to enforce those rules. If H/O site rules are ignored then the wardens are failing in their duties.
We should all assist the club by adhering to the rules. Even if there are those on here who take issue with those decent people who believe the on site rules should be complied with.
K
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Looked at the Cirencester pitching sketches and thought 'what if I wanted to go in nose first'. Would that upset everyone?
By the way can we still walk out via the park, or do we have to go round on the road?
certain sites don't allow it but the vast majority do, ask the wardens
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Looked at the Cirencester pitching sketches and thought 'what if I wanted to go in nose first'. Would that upset everyone?
By the way can we still walk out via the park, or do we have to go round on the road?
can still walk out thru the park, but not before 8am or after 5pm(gates are locked)
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.If someone pitched next to me in such a way that was incorrect in terms of the prescribed way and was affecting the enjoyment of my stay I would discuss it with the warden and leave him to sort it out.
David
.......and if he didn't, what then?
That is just what people are discussing on here. Whose responsibility is it to look after the site. Not the members. I can't recall anyone saying it was the members so don't know where the clipboard comment comes from.
It's perhaps when a forum topic has as many replies as this one that might just get HQ to sit up and take notice. They should, it is their rule.
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.If someone pitched next to me in such a way that was incorrect in terms of the prescribed way and was affecting the enjoyment of my stay I would discuss it with the warden and leave him to sort it out.
David
.......and if he didn't, what then?
That is just what people are discussing on here. Whose responsibility is it to look after the site. Not the members. I can't recall anyone saying it was the members so don't know where the clipboard comment comes from.
It's perhaps when a forum topic has as many replies as this one that might just get HQ to sit up and take notice. They should, it is their rule.
Harry
If it was really bugging me and the warden was unable or unwilling to be persuaded by my submission I would just move to another pitch when one became available. I appreciated that is easier to do with a motorhome. Having said that I don't think I have every
been in that position on a Club site in 35 years so it would be a new experience. I have moved pitches abroad when I have been unhappy with the neighbours but not often. If an individual members feels that a warden is not doing his job properly then they really
should write directly to the Club where they can present the evidence, like campsite, warden names, photogtraphs to reinforce the case. Wardens are clearly allowed a degree of discreation and they have to be trusted to use that discreation in the fairest way.
Earlier in the thread a warden made that exact point. On your point about expecting Admin to comment, well that demand seems to be made in ever other thread. The mods will highlight those subjects that they consider worthy of more investigation but we try
and limit that to threads where some sort of definitive reply is possible. For example I have highlighted the thread of the booking of hardstanding pitches and hopefully we will get an answer.David
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If so many people pitch wrong as alot of you good folk are pointing out, surly that backs up the fact the wardens do need to keep telling people how to pitch no matter how long they have been in the club, it really doesn't bother me being told. I do agree
however if it is wrong it needs dealing with, it is after all for everyone's safetyKev
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The peg is a single point. We know that the pitches and their gaps between come in many sizes. When complying with the regulations, that peg in reality could be placed in some instances, along a lateral line which may be many feet or only a few inches long.
We should all pitch to the peg wherever feasible but I recognise that certain units may require slightly different pitching in order to comply with the rules and regs. (See previous posts). Clearly this can only happen when a pitch is one of those which allows and this should only happen after discussion and guidance from the warden.
Should the peg then be moved (officially of course) to suit the unit or is it left conspicuous in its original position with what appears to be a non compliant member on the pitch? Both instances would, of course, attract the attention and comment of some but in reality the unit would be compliant with the regs.
As said before, we should all adhere to the rules and ask for guidance and direction if we are having difficulty complying for whatever reason. That way all are contributing to a good job being done and regulations being upheld.
Finally, all who disregard the rules or guidance and just do what suits them should be tackled accordingly. Don't think any of us would disagree with that, could we?
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I often pitch 15 or so inches from the peg to enable me to open car door fully. As I always leave more than 6m gap no problems 1 no awning either
....and this is the strange part of 'fire regs'...
..if members' cars are so close to their own caravans that its even a struggle to open the door, then surely they are too close from a 'fire break' perspective.
same question as before....if Easy's car is permitted to be just inches away from his own van, why must it be 3m from someone else's.....?
fire doesnt spread based on which pitch you are on..
...if a car is that close to a van and there is a fire in the car, where is the safety net for the occupants (poor old Alan) in his unsuspecting caravan?
i dont get these different 'standards'....
fire isnt usually choosy who it burns.....
for me it boils down to us being responsible for what belongs to us and being respectful to those and that which belongs to others. Therefore my car inches from my caravan and 3m away from yours.
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....but you 'being responsible' (wherever that means) does nothing to stop a fire in your car spreading (blooming quickly) to your van.....
i dont think those flames will stop to consider what a 'responsible' member you are prior to comsuming you
the point is, the club has (it seems) decided that all fires must start in a caravan or MH, and all other people must be in the next caravan/MH, hence the 6m gap between units.
however, if a fire strarts in a car (faulty electrics, faulty fuel supply...whatever) that fire might not reach a neighbours car/van/MH (3m away) before they escape, but 'you' (on the same pitch with your caravan inches away from the start of the fire) might
not be so lucky.surely its naive to think that a fire cant start in a car, and so, allowing cars inches from any other occupied van is a bit presumptious.....
Good point, add into the mix a further oddity-back to back LV's seem immune to fire it's only the side to side ones at risk
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Fair point MM but that doesn't negate either BB nor my concerns/points.
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But having naked flames in a caravan/motorhome is surely going going to make the risk more likely than in your car despite.
....i dont know what the percentages are for fires in caravans on site or for cars on site....both fairly rare thank goodness...
however, when mitigating against risk, you don't put all your eggs in one basket....
if there is still a slight risk of fire starting in a car, then this should be mitigated against by keeping them away (3m) from ALL other flammable units, not just those belonging to someone else....
perhaps all the cars should be kept well away from habitation units.....ie in the car park...that would make our pitches feel far more open....and much safer....
...And m/vans on their own areas away from everything ,as the last "problem "was caused by a m/van ,
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