Arrival & Departure Times
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Perhaps the warden had not noticed that his watch was running slow.
Came back at 2.15pm halfway down the lane caravan and car coming towards me. This is the 3rd one I have come across since I have been here good job I didn have a caravan on the back.
Write your comments here...Obviously we need to give the warden the benefit of the doubt, the only possible explanation has to be be that his watch battery had gone flat at 11.59 hrs
K
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Warden discretion, or did they pay!!
You have no idea but like making assumptions.
+1 and either are allowed under the rules
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Caravan arrived at reception here on Sutton-on-Sea site at 11.05am. Told to wait.
I trust those wardens apply the same vigour to getting people off site by 12 as well?
No, thought not......
Well, they do have a sign outside the office saying something like "all departures by 12 noon".
The site is very busy.
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Caravan arrived at reception here on Sutton-on-Sea site at 11.05am. Told to wait.
I trust those wardens apply the same vigour to getting people off site by 12 as well?
No, thought not......
Well, they do have a sign outside the office saying something like "all departures by 12 noon".
The site is very busy.
Write your comments here.........Well thats the problem solved then -----How very proactive of them.
K
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I think you are doing the wardens ar Sutton on Sea an injustice, they were actively checking pitches, making sure people were pitching correctly, and checking that people were departing promptly.
We are now at Norfolk Broads site, they are also saying all departures by 12 noon. Today, Sunday, at least 8 vans were in the arrivals area just after 12 noon, so the site is very busy.
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I think you are doing the wardens ar Sutton on Sea an injustice, they were actively checking pitches, making sure people were pitching correctly, and checking that people were departing promptly.
We are now at Norfolk Broads site, they are also saying all departures by 12 noon. Today, Sunday, at least 8 vans were in the arrivals area just after 12 noon, so the site is very busy.
Write your comments here...We were also at the Norfolk Broads site last week, (sorry KjellNN I didn't spot you), and also saw outfits arriving as early as 10.30am earlier in the week and at least two on Saturday just after 11.00am as we were going off the
site. Commenting to the warden about this on Saturday afternoon he said that, reluctantly, if there were pitches available they had decided to let early arrivals in because it would be too dangerous if they had to wait out on the road but agreed that members
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How disruptive is a caravan leaving a site for goodness sake? We're talking caravans here, not a low-loader with heavy industrial plant.
cyberyacht,
Ferry crossings run at various times during the day and night.
Therefore, in order to minimalise disruption to other members staying on Rookesbury and Black Horse Farm, the ferry pitches are nearer to the exit.
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How disruptive is a caravan leaving a site for goodness sake? We're talking caravans here, not a low-loader with heavy industrial plant.
Write your comments here...you clearly have not visited some of the CC sites with limited roads in/out like Chatsworth. Its also about the rules, if you allow breaking of one why not the rest?
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The trouble with Wardens disgression is that you won't know where you are. If one site, for example, allows people to turn up early even though it says no arrivals before 12.00 then what about the next site? Do you assume that if it's OK to break the rule
at one then it's OK to break the rule at all of them. Until you get there you won't know. A recipe for chaos. Answer is obey the rules. They are usually there for a good reason even though it may not, on the face of it, appear to apply to the site you are
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I agree with your last point, John. I'd prefer a more flexible arrival arrangement on sites without access problems but, as a club member, I accept the rule.
I think the difficulty some folk have understanding this whole subject arises out of the wording in the cub handbook regarding arrival times (fixed, which all members should be aware of and adhere to) and departure times which, when circumstances allow, can be more flexible ( the relevant section is on page 275 of the current handbook!)
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I agree with your last point, John. I'd prefer a more flexible arrival arrangement on sites without access problems but, as a club member, I accept the rule.
I think the difficulty some folk have understanding this whole subject arises out of the wording in the cub handbook regarding arrival times (fixed, which all members should be aware of and adhere to) and departure times which, when circumstances allow,
can be more flexible ( the relevant section is on page 275 of the current handbook!)The arrival times arent set in stone either you just turn up and mostly the wardens let you on, if they dont want to they say to wait and you just queue.
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Unless otherwise stated on the specific sites information,the arrival time is normally 1200, the main purpose is to allow wardens time to service the facilities,toilets/refuse/pitches/etc this is especially important on one couple sites, and on sites with two couples , as believe it or not,they are by law entitled to have time off, so on some days of the week the site has only one couple,but a call to any site if an earlier arrival time,is needed could invoke "wardens descretion"
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if an earlier arrival time,is needed could invoke "wardens descretion"
This is where the problem lies - certain folk on here happily tell us they ring up and arrive early on every site because they 'need' to which is just taking the Michael. In a genuine one off situation then there should be a procedure, fair enough, but
not just because people want to arrive early. If early arrival is an option open to all then just take away the arrival times, making it fair for all, and possibly charge for early arrivals.0 -
The trouble with Wardens disgression is that you won't know where you are. If one site, for example, allows people to turn up early even though it says no arrivals before 12.00 then what about the next site? Do you assume that if it's OK to break the rule
at one then it's OK to break the rule at all of them. Until you get there you won't know. A recipe for chaos. Answer is obey the rules. They are usually there for a good reason even though it may not, on the face of it, appear to apply to the site you are
at.You simply phone ahead and ask.
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I agree with your last point, John. I'd prefer a more flexible arrival arrangement on sites without access problems but, as a club member, I accept the rule.
I think the difficulty some folk have understanding this whole subject arises out of the wording in the cub handbook regarding arrival times (fixed, which all members should be aware of and adhere to) and departure times which, when circumstances allow,
can be more flexible ( the relevant section is on page 275 of the current handbook!)The arrival times arent set in stone either you just turn up and mostly the wardens let you on, if they dont want to they say to wait and you just queue.
Write your comments here...But where do you queue? At many sites access is narrow and waiting caravans / MHs would just block roads and prevent outgoing units leaving easily. Also, many sites have little or no waiting area within the site. The very popular
Chatsworth site immediately springs to mind to name but one site with both these problems. If parked up on a public road the police could accuse you of obstruction and insist that you move on.0 -
Anyone tried passing another vehicle on the long entrance lane to Cirencester Park recently? It's a slalom course avoiding the potholes as it is, particularly on the sharp turn at the top.
Having some structure to arrival and departure at least means wardens don't need to sit in the office all day and can get on with their other jobs/ grab a quick cuppa or even have a day off occasionally!
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Wardens discretion is not the problem at all in my opinion. Afterall the rules which allow the employment of discretion quite clearly and righty directs us to enquire first about the possibility of a later departure.
The problem comes from those very few who do not ask but just decide to do what they want. Afterall, if the site specifics do not lend themselves to early arrivals or slightly later departures then you will have been told no. I guess a few just do not want to be told no and so don't bother following the rules.
If there is a problem it is this few who just do what they want, don't follow the rules and don't bother asking first as directed in the rule who are the problem.
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Wardens discretion is not the problem at all in my opinion. Afterall the rules which allow the employment of discretion quite clearly and righty directs us to enquire first about the possibility of a later departure.
The problem comes from those very few who do not ask but just decide to do what they want. Afterall, if the site specifics do not lend themselves to early arrivals or slightly later departures then you will have been told no. I guess a few just do not want
to be told no and so don't bother following the rules.If there is a problem it is this few who just do what they want, don't follow the rules and don't bother asking first as directed in the rule who are the problem.
Yes +1
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Wardens discretion is not the problem at all in my opinion. Afterall the rules which allow the employment of discretion quite clearly and righty directs us to enquire first about the possibility of a later departure.
The problem comes from those very few who do not ask but just decide to do what they want. Afterall, if the site specifics do not lend themselves to early arrivals or slightly later departures then you will have been told no. I guess a few just
do not want to be told no and so don't bother following the rules.If there is a problem it is this few who just do what they want, don't follow the rules and don't bother asking first as directed in the rule who are the problem.
Write your comments here...Good point Micky. But it should never be a problem if the warden staff are doing their job properly and ensuring that ALL the site rules are complied with.
Those who don't think the site rules apply to them, will then find themselves without a pitch as the warden, quite correctly, will have ejected them from the site.
K
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Wardens discretion is not the problem at all in my opinion. Afterall the rules which allow the employment of discretion quite clearly and righty directs us to enquire first about the possibility of a later departure.
The problem comes from those very few who do not ask but just decide to do what they want. Afterall, if the site specifics do not lend themselves to early arrivals or slightly later departures then you will have been told no. I guess a few just
do not want to be told no and so don't bother following the rules.If there is a problem it is this few who just do what they want, don't follow the rules and don't bother asking first as directed in the rule who are the problem.
Write your comments here...Good point Micky. But it should never be a problem if the warden staff are doing their job properly and ensuring that ALL the site rules are complied with.
Those who don't think the site rules apply to them, will then find themselves without a pitch as the warden, quite correctly, will have ejected them from the site.
K
I think the problem there is that it means that about 11.30 the wardens would have to take a list of all departures round the site with them and speak to anyone not packing up. It might be possible on smaller sites but if you have 200 pitches then possibly
not.On the Camping in the Forrest site we were on earlier you had a label to display at the front to show when you were leaving and I have had this on commercial sites. Might be worth the club trying it.
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Arr/dep times will forever be contencious,as it does not matter if the majority of sites can and do try to please most members,there will always be, as we can see by the few vociferous ones who post on CT,be a case of the wardens will be in trouble what
ever they do,its a fact of life in all areas where the "public/membership" are involved, who the majority are happy with the way the rules are "read"0 -
If the warden puts a sign outside the office saying
Depts at ......
. . . it will be seen only by those who (1) go past the office and (2) look at it.
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We're talking caravans here, not a low-loader with heavy industrial plant.
Good try Nicki, but I fear you and many others at "Head Office" don't know what it is like to manoeuver a caravan. A low loader with heavy plant may be much heavier than a caravan but not necessarily all that much larger.
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If the warden puts a sign outside the office saying
Depts at ......
Everyone then knows when they can stay till ... problem solved!
..Which normally happens on busy sites
yes seen it a few times, not just 12 but as late as 4pm sometimes
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