Site fees
Comments
-
Actually, I would very much doubt that you have been on more sites than me during school holidays (including back in the days when I had to work). And it's many more than once in 3 years......so I can extrapolate. Kids (or the parents of kids, if you prefer) make a mess of the toilets. Fact.
How long did you spend looking for my review?
i really didn't, I do doubt your usage of club sites during school holidays,with your proper job at under a month a year as opposed to 32 years at 13 weeks a year for me, when the kids were school age we used to go away for 6 weeks straight in the summer, and most other school holidays. Hey I've worked that out I've had 8 years off in 32!!!
0 -
well i booked a weekend away at a cc site in january and it cost 12.50 for 3 adults per night and a dog, iv booked the same site in july 40.00 per night same 3 people and dog so whats the differance, i dont have children so dont need school holiday's had
to book cc site as the private site dosn't take dogs, i pay my memeber ship every year,Which site was that, Tracy? £12.50 sounds a remarkably good deal for a CC site even in January. But I don't fully follow what point you're making? Was the commercial site you referred to open in January and how much would it have been then? How much is it
in July? OK you can't use it if it doesn't accept dogs, I can sympathise with that, but, like us, that's one of the factors you have to take into account when booking a site?0 -
As regards holidaying during the time when the schools are closed down due to the over long teacher's holidays. I dont see anything wrong with families using club sites. In fact if we dont encourage families to use CC sites there will be a huge reduction in the CC's customer base after about 15 years. Children amd teenagers are not evil. They are just youngsters being youngsters. If any of those youngsters indulge in antisocial activities it is because of useless, lazy and dreadful parents. . Blame the parent , not the kids.
K
0 -
You just can't let it go can you, K - over long teacher's holidays.
But you're right, nothing wrong with families using club sites during school holidays. And fortunately, the club's pricing structure makes it reasonably affordable to them if they want to.
I'm sure you'd agree, then, that raising fees by, say 10%, during those times would be rather unfair!
0 -
Let's face it, school holidays are probably the only time families can use Club sites. Good luck to them. I've no wish to see families penalised by higher fees.
0 -
Take an example of a site with an average of 40 pitches occupied through the year. Four site staff getting an increase of £0.50 per hour would equal - 4 x 40 hours/week x £0.50 x 52 weeks = and increased cost of £4,160
how about adding another 15% for EHI and payroll costs etc.. Then of course any contractor the CC employed on site, their costs would increase etc. etc.
0 -
Let's face it, school holidays are probably the only time families can use Club sites. Good luck to them. I've no wish to see families penalised by higher fees.
The ones I know are rallying including holiday rallies and using CLs. CLs offer a good deal for families, you only pay for the pitch.
peedee
0 -
Those that want to keep Club fees reasonable in school holiday times depend on us that use the sites in Winter/Spring to carry on, thus maintaining the total club income. Unfortunately the fees have got too high compared to the offers made by the commercial
sector at those times.Rsult we no longer use CC sites and take our business esewhere, reducing total income.Only one way forward keep on increasing peak prices and extend peak periods to the detriment of families. Does not affect us so we will not be changing our ways and the
HO structure seems unable to grasp that there is more competition out there and that the commercials are now usually of better standard than the club.0 -
Any business has to be profitable to re-invest that income in extending their business. The CC needs that income to build more sites, upgrade current sites and run the sites effectively.
The most demand on the CC camping network is during peak periods. This is when the CC can create most income.
During off peak periods there is more supply than demand so the CC needs to greatly discount charges to attract those caravanners who are using less expensive companies.
An increase in peak time prices is a safe move as the CC will still maintain their business as the alternative companies will be equally expensive and lacking in availability.
So if we want the CC sites network to increase and improve , we should all be happy to pay extra at peak periods.
K
0 -
But, K, with respect, I think you still need to explain how increasing prices by 10% in peak times (when families are most likely to want to use sites) so that they can be reduced off peak (when children are in school) fits with your wish above to encourage
families to use CC sites. It just doesn't add up does it?When you say "we should all be happy to pay extra at peak periods" you conveniently forget to say that that is exactly when you don't use them!
0 -
As has been stated so many times before, and even with as some say ,with this year's price increases the CC & CCC are sttil reasonably priced for families compared to the companies who do loss leaders at times, and then more than recoup it from families at this time of year ,when both clubs between them have over 300club sites some over 50yrs old ,catering for what the majority of campers seem to require, against the Holliday Camp type organizations that caravans are added income they hope will spend money in other parts of the complex
0 -
Those that want to keep Club fees reasonable in school holiday times depend on us that use the sites in Winter/Spring to carry on, thus maintaining the total club income.
Unfortunately the fees have got too high compared to the offers made by the commercial sector at those times.Rsult we no longer use CC sites and take our business esewhere, reducing total income.Only one way forward keep on increasing peak prices and extend peak periods to the detriment of families. Does not affect us so we will not be changing our ways and the
HO structure seems unable to grasp that there is more competition out there and that
the commercials are now usually of better standard than the club.But that is a matter of opinion based on your own experience..... Now our "kids" are working adults we use sites out of school holidays and still find them often nearly full. I also use commercial sites when that is the only choice in an area I want to
visit but rarely find them to be "better" or even as good as a club site.It comes down again to if club sites & prices dont suit you, dont use them.
0 -
Tintent 115 -Totally agree with you The test will come when 2017 prices are made known
Then we can start the thread all over again as happens every year.
0 -
Those that want to keep Club fees reasonable in school holiday times depend on us that use the sites in Winter/Spring to carry on, thus maintaining the total club income. Unfortunately the fees have got too high compared to the offers made by the commercial sector at those times.
Rsult we no longer use CC sites and take our business esewhere, reducing total income.Only one way forward keep on increasing peak prices and extend peak periods to the detriment of families. Does not affect us so we will not be changing our ways and the HO structure seems unable to grasp that there is more competition out there and that the commercials are now usually of better standard than the club.
But that is a matter of opinion based on your own experience..... Now our "kids" are working adults we use sites out of school holidays and still find them often nearly full. I also use commercial sites when that is the only choice in an area I want to visit but rarely find them to be "better" or even as good as a club site.
It comes down again to if club sites & prices dont suit you, dont use them.
Must agree with you 100%, I'm looking at some wekends and notice that the Monday - Friday boxes are often full to stop more than a one/two day visit. But like yo said if you don't like the prices and/or the sites don't go. It looks like people want club sites but just complain how expensive they are (which they're not, they are average)
also agree about non club sites being better,. where?
0 -
Cornersteady - Try Haven Pwllheli or Morris Leisure - Llanberis. Have used both so speak from experience. As a comparison Chirk Lady Margaet pitches and toilet block second rare. Believe the appalling access road has now been resurfaced
0 -
Cornersteady - Try Haven Pwllheli or Morris Leisure - Llanberis. Have used both so speak from experience. As a comparison Chirk Lady Margaet pitches and toilet block second rare. Believe the appalling access road has now been resurfaced
A couple of sites is not proof. I have watched the prices quoted for sites in Practical Caravan area reports and while club sites tend to be near the top end for similar sites they are certainly not well out of line.
Frankly Haven sites are not comparable as they are all singing all dancing full facility sites which arer the last thing we want but they do have the advantage for Haven of getting you in a position to spend heavily and that is what they rely on. The site fee is often a cxome on and probably at times a loss leader to get you in.
Given that in peak season clubs sites are generally full or vey near that it is difficult to argue that they are overpriced. If they were they would not have the current occupancy rate.
We did look at the Morris leisure offering at one point this year but will not be going that far South this year. As far as I could see without fully checking the fees looked very close to the clubs. We have only ever used one and it was a good site but in general I would not say vastly superior to club sites although we have not been to Lady Margeret so cannot comment on it. The toilets though do not bother us as we use the onboard facilities.
Possibly the clubs no deposit system costs them a bit more and might explain why they can be a bit higher than some others. Try telling Haven and Morris Leisure you just want to turn up and pay then when booking well in advance.
0 -
As has been stated so many times before, and even with as some say ,with this year's price increases the CC & CCC are sttil reasonably priced for families compared to the companies who do loss leaders at times, and then more than recoup it from families
at this time of year ,when both clubs between them have over 300club sites some over 50yrs old ,catering for what the majority of campers seem to require, against the Holliday Camp type organizations that caravans are added income they hope will spend money
in other parts of the complexI don’t agree, Are they reasonably priced for families especially when you compare like for like? My perception from a quick look at the peak bookings for the year is that these are down.
The only reason the Club is providing what the majority require is because the majority of the members fit into the elderly bracket and I am sure they know this and rely on that fact. Take away location and there are only a handful of sites that really appeal
to families.peedee
0 -
As has been stated so many times before, and even with as some say ,with this year's price increases the CC & CCC are sttil reasonably priced for families compared to the companies who do loss leaders at times, and then more than recoup it from families at this time of year ,when both clubs between them have over 300club sites some over 50yrs old ,catering for what the majority of campers seem to require, against the Holliday Camp type organizations that caravans are added income they hope will spend money in other parts of the complex
I don’t agree, Are they reasonably priced for families especially when you compare like for like? My perception from a quick look at the peak bookings for the year is that these are down.
The only reason the Club is providing what the majority require is because the majority of the members fit into the elderly bracket and I am sure they know this and rely on that fact. Take away location and there are only a handful of sites that really appeal to families.
peedee
Write your comments here...I think your perception of not reasonable is not what has been the case. at Ferry Meadows this last holiday period as there has been:very few "oldies" on,this very busy site, there were up to today hundreds of children ,it was the same at Clumber Park when we were there. And the tent pitches are all full at Ferry
0 -
Tintent 115 -Totally agree with you The test will come when 2017 prices are made known
At least next year we get a handbook instead of having to hunt for this years prices on the website.
0 -
That's not just the case with CC sites though, PD. The sites around Perranporth where we have our static are really struggling to fill touring pitches for the summer. Many of them were less than half full last Bank Holiday weekend!
But getting back to site fees, if you're suggesting that CC prices should come down, including at peak times, I wouldn't disagree.
0 -
Cornersteady - Try Haven Pwllheli or Morris Leisure - Llanberis. Have used both so speak from experience. As a comparison Chirk Lady Margaet pitches and toilet block second rare. Believe the appalling access road has now been resurfaced
thanks will have a look
0 -
We did look at the Morris leisure offering at one point this year but will not be going that far South this year. As far as I could see without fully checking the fees looked very close to the clubs. We have only ever used one and it was a good site but
in general I would not say vastly superior to club sites although we have not been to Lady Margeret so cannot comment on it. The toilets though do not bother us as we use the onboard facilities.Possibly the clubs no deposit system costs them a bit more and might explain why they can be a bit higher than some others. Try telling Haven and Morris Leisure you just want to turn up and pay then when booking well in advance.
We have used two Morris Leisure sites. One near Ludlow and one near Bridgenorth. They plug a gap in CC sites coverage. Similar price from memory - maybe a tad dearer, No better or worse I reckon
0 -
Pedee can you advise where you get your information as unless it is via late availability ,I can only see that each of the sites you mention are bookable not how many there are, it might only be one or two which is quite readable and hawthorn farm has as far as I know Only full for the fisher folk tennis weeks ,,and Hillhead has in the past never been full yet,a s it is not until next week we ever book our three weeks there
0 -
But getting back to site fees, if you're suggesting that CC prices should come down, including at peak times, I wouldn't disagree.
Why would you disagree on something so advantageous? I have no idea what the answer is but the Club should, after all it has a marketing department and is in possession of sales and the demographic data. The Club is certainly not going to attract those that don't have to holiday at peak times to its sites during the main holiday periods.at current prices. I know one site which actually charges the same price what ever the season simply because it knows it is not attractive to families.
peedee
0 -
Pedee can you advise where you get your information as unless it is via late availability I can only see that each of the sites you mention are bookable not how many there are it might only be one or two?
They are indeed bookable which was the point I was making. Normally you would expect to see them fully booked by now for the school holidays.
peedee
0 -
Anybody wanting to see how a well run campsite arranges spotless accommodation and toilet block cleaning, should pay a visit to the privately owned Min y Don Caravan Site affiliated to the CC at Harlech.
Prices are very reasonable during the year----( at the moment £23.00 for the van and two adults)
At peak time, there is a standard all inclusive pitch charge for the van and two adults. .
When we were there a few years ago the site was absolutely immaculate.
K
0 -
But you might not like some of the T & C's......
"The park is open from the 1st of March until the 6th November 2016. We do require a deposit to secure a pitch, deposits are non refundable but can be transferred to another booking on this park within the season. The balance of your holiday is payable approximately three weeks before your arrival date and pitches are allocated before arrival. (On rare occasions pitch allocation may be subject to change.)
We can send site plans out on request by post or email.
Please note that we take a minimum booking of five nights during our peak season with the exception of May 2nd to May 5th where we can accept shorter stays."
0
