Site fees
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No definitive answers yet K
Noone is prepared to say if another £5/10/15 per night would force them to look elsewhere
None of us are gullible enough!
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The clubs prices are excessive, to say they offer discounts in off peak doesnt help when the price bar is so high.
I have had a quick look at 3 CC sites in Cornwall, Looe, Marizion, and Treamble at Perranporth, all have vacancies this July and August, isn't that testoment to what members are thinking?
I'm looking at insurance products from the club, and maybe if I join possible CL use, cant imagine we would ever use CC owned sites.
Marazion is a non-facility site so not popular with families. Hence, it often has space at peak time but it is a reasonably priced site so is a poor example to use to illustrate your point.
Why? its a club product, Its not just familys that go away in school holidays is it?
What about the other 2?
Merrose Farm vacancies too. that has toilets.
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The clubs prices are excessive, to say they offer discounts in off peak doesnt help when the price bar is so high.
I have had a quick look at 3 CC sites in Cornwall, Looe, Marizion, and Treamble at Perranporth, all have vacancies this July and August, isn't that testoment to what members are thinking?
I'm looking at insurance products from the club, and maybe if I join possible CL use, cant imagine we would ever use CC owned sites.
Marazion is a non-facility site so not popular with families. Hence, it often has space at peak time but it is a reasonably priced site so is a poor example to use to illustrate your point.
Why? its a club product, Its not just familys that go away in school holidays is it?
What about the other 2?
I have nothing to add. Please don't be aggressive.
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Sorry I'm not being aggressive, I was answering your statement, please reconsider your post.
Thank you.
I will add I find your response very odd and off putting.
I shall rethink my membership of CT all be it a matter of minutes.
Regards.
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Sorry I'm not being aggressive, I was answering your statement, please reconsider your post.
Thank you.
Thankyou for the apology. I have nothing to reconsider as my comment concerned only one element of your post. I neither agree nor disagree with the rest of your comments.
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Sorry I'm not being aggressive, I was answering your statement, please reconsider your post.
Thank you.
I will add I find your response very odd and off putting.
I shall rethink my membership of CT all be it a matter of minutes.
Regards.
Now you have edited your post and made it less than polite.
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Piggy, there is a great deal of difference in the three sites you use as examples. TW is correct in saying that Marazion is a no facility site, and compared with other Cornish sites, does not have any of the extras that Looe has, such as a swimming pool.
Families do indeed use it, but it is seldom at its busiest in July and August compared with June and September when it can be full. As stated, Looe is lucky enough to have a swimming pool, and therefore is at the expensive end of the Club's pricing spectrum,
it incurs greater running costs! I cannot comment on Treamble Valley as never used it and dont know anything about it, but it does lie within the most popular Summer holiday county, so is bound to reflect this as well.0 -
No one is prepared to say if another £5/10/15 per night would force them to look elsewhere
I am already making a conscious effort to look elsewhere this year but not solely because of prices. It doesn't mean I won't use them in fact I have already had 8 nights on Club sites. When it comes to considering site prices you also have to factor in your subscription which if you don't use many other services can make site prices very expensive indeed. The 8 nights I have had so far have worked out at £27.29 per night.
peedee
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Sorry I'm not being aggressive, I was answering your statement, please reconsider your post.
Thank you.
I will add I find your response very odd and off putting.
I shall rethink my membership of CT all be it a matter of minutes.
Regards.
Now you have edited your post and made it less than polite.
I wasn't apologising, I edited my post to reflect my feelings.
I have had to walk away from the computer and make a coffee but still think the need to email the community manager, I find your statements and manner astonsihing, how anyone can consider a few lines of factual response as aggresive i'm left bewildered,
and you further antagonise.I feel we should end our communication now.
Regards.
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No one is prepared to say if another £5/10/15 per night would force them to look elsewhere
I am already making a conscious effort to look elsewhere this year but not solely because of prices. It doesn't mean I won't use them in fact I have already had 8 nights on Club sites. When it comes to considering site prices you also have to factor in your subscription which if you don't use many other services can make site prices very expensive indeed. The 8 nights I have had so far have worked out at £27.29 per night.
peedee
When the children are at school we have used very large sites, you get all the benefits of all the facilities but without the large crowds, its worked incredibly well, and the prices are very good.
Haven touring has done wonders the site outside Porthmadog is incredible well worth a look, as is Cofton Holiday park in Devon, good walks and not far from probably the best cycle path I have seen, takes you all the way into Exeter Quay.
8 nights at Cofton begining of May over the Bank Holiday weekend we paid for 8 nights on a service pitch £153.00, 2 adults awning abnd a dog. slightly over £19 a night!
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Piggy, there is a great deal of difference in the three sites you use as examples. TW is correct in saying that Marazion is a no facility site, and compared with other Cornish sites, does not have any of the extras that Looe has, such as a swimming pool.
Families do indeed use it, but it is seldom at its busiest in July and August compared with June and September when it can be full. As stated, Looe is lucky enough to have a swimming pool, and therefore is at the expensive end of the Club's pricing spectrum,
it incurs greater running costs! I cannot comment on Treamble Valley as never used it and dont know anything about it, but it does lie within the most popular Summer holiday county, so is bound to reflect this as well.Yes I understand the differences in sites, but people without children still go on holiday July to August, for the weather and local events such as the various Cornish regattas for example.
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Sorry I'm not being aggressive, I was answering your statement, please reconsider your post.
Thank you.
I will add I find your response very odd and off putting.
I shall rethink my membership of CT all be it a matter of minutes.
Regards.
Now you have edited your post and made it less than polite.
I wasn't apologising, I edited my post to reflect my feelings.
I have had to walk away from the computer and make a coffee but still think the need to email the community manager, I find your statements and manner astonsihing, how anyone can consider a few lines of factual response as aggresive i'm left bewildered,
and you further antagonise.I feel we should end our communication now.
Regards.
I quite agree. Only a muppet would continue.
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Piggy, there is a great deal of difference in the three sites you use as examples. TW is correct in saying that Marazion is a no facility site, and compared with other Cornish sites, does not have any of the extras that Looe has, such as a swimming pool.
Families do indeed use it, but it is seldom at its busiest in July and August compared with June and September when it can be full. As stated, Looe is lucky enough to have a swimming pool, and therefore is at the expensive end of the Club's pricing spectrum,
it incurs greater running costs! I cannot comment on Treamble Valley as never used it and dont know anything about it, but it does lie within the most popular Summer holiday county, so is bound to reflect this as well.Yes I understand the differences in sites, but people without children still go on holiday July to August, for the weather and local events such as the various Cornish regattas for example.
I am sorry, bit confused what you are saying. The prices for Marazion and Looe are very different, with or without children. One is at the cheaper end, no facilities, one is at the more expensive end with lots of extras. So a choice, depending upon what
you want? With others in between as well I am guessing.0 -
I'm saying there is an increase in singles, couples, families going on holiday over the summer period, and as such the varied sites would reflect the increase in holiday traffic regardless of on site facilities.
Therefore if the sites are not occupied to the extent of commercials which are generally full in that area then surely the cost of the site must be an influencing factor?
Regards
Brian
http://www.ibisworld.co.uk/market-research/caravan-camping-sites.html
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Piggy, is that your interpretation of the Ibis report?
As far as I am aware, there has always been an increase in the three demographic groups you mention going on holiday in the Summer months, over the rest of the year, mainly because it is warmer, dryer, and children have school holidays. Hence why the holiday industry as a whole pitches it's prices at the more expensive end at this time. It is a more desirable product, hence prices go up.
Interpreting the take up of Club Site pitches is very difficult for the lay person, as we are not basing our estimates upon solid evidence, (Club Marketing Dept I am guessing will have this information) and there are a lot of variables, so it will always be a generalisation for us. It is difficult to compare the Club with commercial providers, even those with multiple sites, such as Haven, because only the staff have the detailed information, and operating policies to be able to do this.
apologies for editing, trying to avoid time out
I do think, for what it is worth, that some of the Site pitch fees at peak times, for a family aren't the best value. Looe for example is around the £40 a day cost for two adults and two children. But for some, having invested in their van, this may be a perfectly good price to stay in a lovely area, with a free pool on site. For two adults, perhaps not likely to use the pool, then another site may be more cost effective.
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Sorry I'm not being aggressive, I was answering your statement, please reconsider your post.
Thank you.
I will add I find your response very odd and off putting.
I shall rethink my membership of CT all be it a matter of minutes.
Regards.
Now you have edited your post and made it less than polite.
I wasn't apologising, I edited my post to reflect my feelings.
I have had to walk away from the computer and make a coffee but still think the need to email the community manager, I find your statements and manner astonsihing, how anyone can consider a few lines of factual response as aggresive i'm left bewildered,
and you further antagonise.I feel we should end our communication now.
Regards.
I quite agree. Only a muppet would continue.
ahh
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We seem to be reaching an agreement.Its also worth mentioning that to this day a number of companies will have their annual traditional shut down in summer.
Regards
Brian
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As the OP of this thread, and a comparitively rare user of CT, I have to say that I'm left both bemused and disappointed by the way it has panned out after 105 postings, mostly from a small minority of 6 "regulars" who have accounted for 68 of them.
I thought I was making a perfectly valid point in raising awareness of an excessive increase in site fees since 2015. However, I've been generally berated by "The Regulars" who have clearly enjoyed dominating the discussion, mostly repeating themselves.
If such an increase were to be imposed on Community Tax, Gas, Oil, Electricity, Water, Insurance etc. there would be a national outcry. If the present level of increase that I quoted were to be applied annually, site fees would DOUBLE in 3 years! Surely that's
something to be concerned about?Whereas I've been relieved to notice a small level of support from posters who mostly got criticised by "The Regulars", the general advice has been "go elsewhere". I have also been percieved as foolish for booking sites if I was aware of the increases. It
so happens that I had planned my recent tour during the winter months, and some sites were the only acceptable options in the areas I was visiting. I also happen to very much like the standard and reliability of CC sites, but this doesn't mean that I should
have to pay more and more for the loyal support that I have given over many years.I am now an elderly pensioner with a limited fixed income that is constantly being eroded by ongoing price rises and other unavoidable expenses. This is forcing me to spend less time enjoying my touring in off peak periods, so is it really unreasonable to
question these increases?I thought CT might be a good place to raise this point, and am disappointed by the rather arrogant comments by the minority "regulars" who seem to crop up on nearly every thread. Sometimes their opinions are valid and useful, but they don't appear to approve
if anyone else has the cheek to disagree and we end up with the whole thread being dominated by petty arguments, and threats to report those with equally strong, but differing points of view.0 -
UK Summer shutdown? Definitely a declining trend, although there is possibly a case for it from the employers point of view! All that would do is give the holiday providers yet another tier of charges to hit those who have limited options! Naive to think
that prices at other times would come down. They didn't and they won't. I would have trouble identifying a manufacturing firm that has a Summer shut down nowadays. Common practice in my childhood here in Steel City, sorted out the annual leave, gave the furnaces
a good break/ check/ refit. But as far as I know, no longer practised.0 -
UK Summer shutdown? Definitely a declining trend, although there is possibly a case for it from the employers point of view! All that would do is give the holiday providers yet another tier of charges to hit those who have limited options! Naive to think that prices at other times would come down. They didn't and they won't. I would have trouble identifying a manufacturing firm that has a Summer shut down nowadays. Common practice in my childhood here in Steel City, sorted out the annual leave, gave the furnaces a good break/ check/ refit. But as far as I know, no longer practised.
Airbus in Broughton, Flintshire do. They employ over 6000 people on the site I believe and worldwide must be one of the biggest companies......
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UK Summer shutdown? Definitely a declining trend, although there is possibly a case for it from the employers point of view! All that would do is give the holiday providers yet another tier of charges to hit those who have limited options! Naive to think
that prices at other times would come down. They didn't and they won't. I would have trouble identifying a manufacturing firm that has a Summer shut down nowadays. Common practice in my childhood here in Steel City, sorted out the annual leave, gave the furnaces
a good break/ check/ refit. But as far as I know, no longer practised.Have a look at caravan manufacturers for one.
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Good post Brentry and a lot of valid criticisms
Totally agree.
Defending price increase's with the opinion of exclusiveness is poor, its especially poor when many people within retirement have been loyal members/customers for a considerable time.
Regards
Brian
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Good post Brentry and a lot of valid criticisms
Totally agree.
Defending price increase's with the opinion of exclusiveness is poor, its especially poor when many people within retirement have been loyal members/customers for a considerable time.
Regards
Brian
Whilst I can see where you're coming from, it probably has far more to do with the simple business economics of supply & demand. Whilst sites are nearly full & people will pay the prices, why should a business do anything else. We all have the option to
vote with our feet.....!0 -
As the OP of this thread, and a comparitively rare user of CT, I have to say that I'm left both bemused and disappointed by the way it has panned out after 105 postings, mostly from a small minority of 6 "regulars" who have accounted for 68 of them.
I thought I was making a perfectly valid point in raising awareness of an excessive increase in site fees since 2015. However, I've been generally berated by "The Regulars" who have clearly enjoyed dominating the discussion, mostly repeating themselves. If such an increase were to be imposed on Community Tax, Gas, Oil, Electricity, Water, Insurance etc. there would be a national outcry. If the present level of increase that I quoted were to be applied annually, site fees would DOUBLE in 3 years! Surely that's something to be concerned about?
Whereas I've been relieved to notice a small level of support from posters who mostly got criticised by "The Regulars", the general advice has been "go elsewhere". I have also been percieved as foolish for booking sites if I was aware of the increases. It so happens that I had planned my recent tour during the winter months, and some sites were the only acceptable options in the areas I was visiting. I also happen to very much like the standard and reliability of CC sites, but this doesn't mean that I should have to pay more and more for the loyal support that I have given over many years.
I am now an elderly pensioner with a limited fixed income that is constantly being eroded by ongoing price rises and other unavoidable expenses. This is forcing me to spend less time enjoying my touring in off peak periods, so is it really unreasonable to question these increases?
I thought CT might be a good place to raise this point, and am disappointed by the rather arrogant comments by the minority "regulars" who seem to crop up on nearly every thread. Sometimes their opinions are valid and useful, but they don't appear to approve if anyone else has the cheek to disagree and we end up with the whole thread being dominated by petty arguments, and threats to report those with equally strong, but differing points of view.
B, I don't think anyone is belittling your OP, it is very relevant, but it is your own personal perception, and your choice of how to deal with something that is causing you a problem.
Price rises to life's staple payments, energy, water and taxes are not the same, and would have life threatening repercussions for some. Doing without a holiday, whilst very important, is not quite in the same bracket.
I don't think you are foolish to question it, or to be worried about the ongoing consequences of price rises. But I do know that loyalty to one brand, especially as that brand finds itself in constant competition with other providers, will not make life any easier, and it is good to consider and perhaps try what else is out there.
There is always a bit of banter and chunter on CT, but I don't think anyone was being arrogant in saying look elsewhere, it is just good advice, if it keeps you holidaying and enjoying yourself.
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UK Summer shutdown? Definitely a declining trend, although there is possibly a case for it from the employers point of view! All that would do is give the holiday providers yet another tier of charges to hit those who have limited options! Naive to think
that prices at other times would come down. They didn't and they won't. I would have trouble identifying a manufacturing firm that has a Summer shut down nowadays. Common practice in my childhood here in Steel City, sorted out the annual leave, gave the furnaces
a good break/ check/ refit. But as far as I know, no longer practised.Airbus in Broughton, Flintshire do. They employ over 6000 people on the site I believe and worldwide must be one of the biggest companies......
Write your comments here...that's interesting, my last sentence was referring to the steel industry nowadays.
I Suspect a lot of the caravan manufacturers shut up shop to avoid all the complaints!
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I am puzzled by the reference to long membership and loyalty?We have been members for 32 years, from our youthful days of little spare cash while paying a 15% interest mortgage, to more affluent DINKY days,
now on a one job pension income only, awaiting hopefully a trebling of disposable in the not too distant future, but never once have I regarded it as a right to be given preferential pitch rates over what anyone else is charged. I am quite happy doing my own
market research and holidaying accordingly. Same as I do whether buying from Harrods, Sainsburys or Aldi. If I like the product at that price, I buy it!0 -
No definitive answers yet K
Noone is prepared to say if another £5/10/15 per night would force them to look elsewhere
We already look elsewhere with the prices as they are and always have. We often go to Camping club sites if they are cheaper, or CLs & CSs and shortly we are going to a commercial site. We are not beholden to the caravan club in any way, and like the OP
believe some of their sites are expensive especially at certain times of year and choose to go elsewhere.0 -
Exactly.
We like the food from M & S. Its a premium product and we expect to pay more for it. Its the same with CC sites for us. They tend to be of a consistently high(er) standard and we are happy to pay a premium.
If CC site prices get expensive to the point that people choose to go elsewhere I am sure the CC will fight back with reductions. At the moment I am not expecting that to happen. You pays your money and you makes your choice....
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Lots of you have been talking about Club sites in Cornwall. Alternatives exist with alternative prices.
How about £14 for a grass pitch or £16 for a hard standing pitch - same prices all year round, includes EHU, includes children under five, includes dogs, includes awning unless heated or for sleeping, includes swimming pool in summer, includes good toilet block and hot showers, includes Bodmin Moor on the doorstep. It's an award winning CS which grew up a bit, but still has space without serried rows, or regimented rules.
I don't care what Club site prices are, I have given them up.
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