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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #122

    As the OP of this thread, and a comparitively rare user of CT, I have to say that I'm left both bemused and disappointed by the way it has panned out after 105 postings, mostly from a small minority of 6 "regulars" who have accounted for 68 of them.

    I thought I was making a perfectly valid point in raising awareness of an excessive increase in site fees since 2015. However, I've been generally berated by "The Regulars" who have clearly enjoyed dominating the discussion, mostly repeating themselves.
    If such an increase were to be imposed on Community Tax, Gas, Oil, Electricity, Water, Insurance etc. there would be a national outcry. If the present level of increase that I quoted were to be applied annually, site fees would DOUBLE in 3 years!  Surely that's
    something to be concerned about?

    Whereas I've been relieved to notice a small level of support from posters who mostly got criticised by "The Regulars", the general advice has been "go elsewhere". I have also been percieved as foolish for booking sites if I was aware of the increases. It
    so happens that I had planned my recent tour during the winter months, and some sites were the only acceptable options in the areas I was visiting. I also happen to very much like the standard and reliability of CC sites, but this doesn't mean that I should
    have to pay more and more for the loyal support that I have given over many years.

    I am now an elderly pensioner with a limited fixed income that is constantly being eroded by ongoing price rises and other unavoidable expenses. This is forcing me to spend less time enjoying my touring in off peak periods, so is it really unreasonable to
    question these increases?

    I thought CT might be a good place to raise this point, and am disappointed by the rather arrogant comments by the minority "regulars" who seem to crop up on nearly every thread. Sometimes their opinions are valid and useful, but they don't appear to approve
    if anyone else has the cheek to disagree and we end up with the whole thread being dominated by petty arguments, and threats to report those with equally strong, but differing points of view.

     

    I have no problem with your OP, Brentry. My bone of contention was with the way you ridiculed the comments of another poster. You are perfectly entitled to say you believe site fees are too high but you seem to think everyone who has a different opinion
    or gives advice you don't like is having a go at you or dominating the thread when it's not so.

  • Fisherman
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    edited June 2016 #123

    Easyt . The following week we took up  Morris Leisure offer and went     to their site in Llanberis. That week their site was over half full.at least 25 units per night. That suggests there are plenty of year round vaners out there. The cc  could tap into
    with reasonable pricing. Win win for all

  • Natasha2
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    edited June 2016 #124

    My bone of contention was with the way you ridiculed the comments of another poster. You are perfectly entitled to say you believe site fees are too high but you seem to think everyone who has a different opinion or gives advice you don't like is having
    a go at you or dominating the thread when it's not so.

     

    pot out kettle black springs to mind and how would you describe the use of the word 'muppet', a trem of endearment?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #125

    My bone of contention was with the way you ridiculed the comments of another poster. You are perfectly entitled to say you believe site fees are too high but you seem to think everyone who has a different opinion or gives advice you don't like is having
    a go at you or dominating the thread when it's not so.

     

    pot out kettle black springs to mind and how would you describe the use of the word 'muppet', a trem of endearment?

    'Muppet' has a meaning of which you are not aware, Natasha. Furthermore, I didn't actually call anyone a muppet. Read it again.

    Please explain your 'pot out kettle....' remark as I have been polite throughout this exchange. I have not ridiculed anyone or belittled their opinion.

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #126

    My bone of contention was with the way you ridiculed the comments of another poster. You are perfectly entitled to say you believe site fees are too high but you seem to think everyone who has a different opinion or gives advice you don't like is having a go at you or dominating the thread when it's not so.

     

    pot out kettle black springs to mind and how would you describe the use of the word 'muppet', a trem of endearment?

    Write your comments here...But thats all right Natasha , the small group for whom we cannot use any group names are never wrong.    A cynic might say  "It's almost like they are being protected on this forum".Surprised, --- Of course I would never dare say that and I will give them the benefit of the doubt.  Happy

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #127

    My bone of contention was with the way you ridiculed the comments of another poster. You are perfectly entitled to say you believe site fees are too high but you seem to think everyone who has a different opinion or gives advice you don't like is having
    a go at you or dominating the thread when it's not so.

     

    pot out kettle black springs to mind and how would you describe the use of the word 'muppet', a trem of endearment?

    Write your comments here...But thats all right Natasha , the small group for whom we cannot use any group names are never wrong.    A cynic might say  "It's almost like they are being protected on this forum".Surprised,
    --- Of course I would never dare say that and I will give them the benefit of the doubt.  Happy

    Two points, K. Firstly, I am not part of any group but accept it suits your game for you to talk of your fellow posters in such terms. Secondly, a poster who abides by the T&Cs has no need of protection from any quarter which is a fact I know you fully understand.Wink

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #128

    Tinners.....any chance that you could stop lashing out at all and sundry and accusing them of threatening you - whatever they happen to say - and perhaps make the odd comment about Site Fees?

    The topic of this thread, remember.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #129

    Tinners.....any chance that you could stop lashing out at all and sundry and accusing them of threatening you - whatever they happen to say - and perhaps make the odd comment about Site Fees?

    The topic of this thread, remember.

    Who have I accused of threatening me?

    Site fees - ah, those very reasonable charges we pay so willingly to CC. Is that what you mean? I have no problem with site fees but respect the views of those who feel they are too high. Happy?

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #130

    Who haven't you accused......? Smile

    Are you going to answer the question about how far they can put them up before you aren't happy with them? 10%? 20% Anything?

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #131

    So much for "friendly discussion" then! I'm staggered at the way this thread has gone. The OP expressed an opinion, but didn't appear to like the fact that he didn't get universal support. Then those who disagreed get the usual labels from the usual people. 

    There are two sides to this debate; can we not have disagreements without all this petty squabbling? 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #132

    So much for "friendly discussion" then! I'm staggered at the way this thread has gone. The OP expressed an opinion, but didn't appear to like the fact that he didn't get universal support. Then those who disagreed get the usual labels from the usual people. 

    There are two sides to this debate; can we not have disagreements without all this petty squabbling? 

    very true

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #133

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on  how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??.  I was looking forward to his input as coming from a Maths teacher it will surely be concise and accurate. 

    Cool

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #134

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on  how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??. 

    Cool

    yes you have missed it, and I answered

    but I am amused that you think a) I have to answer or b) been waiting for an answer to a  question you never asked, c) why you aren't asking anyone else as the question was aimed at 'members' not just me.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #135

    Who haven't you accused......? Smile

    Are you going to answer the question about how far they can put them up before you aren't happy with them? 10%? 20% Anything?

    I've accused no one as you know. 

    Some people are never satisfied. Are you, Ian? Always digging away and picking on insignificant little things. Keeps you out of real mischief I expect. 

    You tell me how much my income will go up by and I might be able to answer your hypothetical question. I only deal in realities. 

  • SteveL
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    edited June 2016 #136

    I don't think anyone has actually said they are happy with the level of price rises, just that they are prepared to pay them, as did the OP. Pay them I mean, he was obviously not happy with the increase. For myself, if the product is what I want then yes I am prepared to pay for it. As to what level, that depends on where the product is located, the time of year and what similar alternatives are available and at what price. We do not really like non facility sites, or sites with lots of ancillaries, such as bars, club and pools. So any comparisons we would make would be for a CC type and standard site.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #137

    So the terms "usual group", "bunch" are in use again, as is the legendary "spurtle in search of Truth" laced with educational references, a few others happy to leap onto a known bandwagon and hey ho off we go! This will mean little to occasional posters,
    those happy to try and debate an interesting topic, albeit sometimes quite robustly. Throw in a banned member abroad and mayhem ensues! 

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #138

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on
     how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??.  I was looking forward to his input as coming from a Maths teacher it will surely be concise and accurate. 

    Cool

     

    Um, maybe I missed something too (apologies if so, it's been a busy day!).

    Where did Alan pose that question specifically to Corners ( or specifically to anyone else come to that?)

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #139

    I don't think anyone has actually said they are happy with the level of price rises, just that they are prepared to pay them, as did the OP. Pay them I mean, he was obviously not happy with the increase. For myself, if the product is what I want then yes
    I am prepared to pay for it. As to what level, that depends on where the product is located, the time of year and what similar alternatives are available and at what price. We do not really like non facility sites, or sites with lots of ancillaries, such as
    bars, club and pools. So any comparisons we would make would be for a CC type and standard site.

    absolutely spot on, and so was TW. It is impossible to say when something becomes too expensive as it is based on what you place on the value of the thing/product, or this case a club site, and if you can or are prepared to pay it as you see it as good value.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #140

    The poster currently known as AA asked a none specific question about how much of an increase members would stand, and indicated that he would be very interested in an answer from C. The specific amounts came later, and you gave a very good answer! Pages
    ago! Hours ago! But not everyone is reading all of each post, nor are they keeping up with the discussion. Hope this helps.

    Like you, we set an average nightly price we are prepared to pay, and stick to it. Currently £18 per night, although to date we are averaging more like £14 per night! The savings go on wine, women and song! (I made the last bit up!)

  • thebroons
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    edited June 2016 #141

    As the OP of this thread, and a comparitively rare user of CT, I have to say that I'm left both bemused and disappointed by the way it has panned out after 105 postings, mostly from a small minority of 6 "regulars" who have accounted for 68 of them.

    I thought I was making a perfectly valid point in raising awareness of an excessive increase in site fees since 2015. However, I've been generally berated by "The Regulars" who have clearly enjoyed dominating the discussion, mostly repeating themselves.
    If such an increase were to be imposed on Community Tax, Gas, Oil, Electricity, Water, Insurance etc. there would be a national outcry. If the present level of increase that I quoted were to be applied annually, site fees would DOUBLE in 3 years!  Surely that's
    something to be concerned about?

    Whereas I've been relieved to notice a small level of support from posters who mostly got criticised by "The Regulars", the general advice has been "go elsewhere". I have also been percieved as foolish for booking sites if I was aware of the increases. It
    so happens that I had planned my recent tour during the winter months, and some sites were the only acceptable options in the areas I was visiting. I also happen to very much like the standard and reliability of CC sites, but this doesn't mean that I should
    have to pay more and more for the loyal support that I have given over many years.

    I am now an elderly pensioner with a limited fixed income that is constantly being eroded by ongoing price rises and other unavoidable expenses. This is forcing me to spend less time enjoying my touring in off peak periods, so is it really unreasonable to
    question these increases?

    I thought CT might be a good place to raise this point, and am disappointed by the rather arrogant comments by the minority "regulars" who seem to crop up on nearly every thread. Sometimes their opinions are valid and useful, but they don't appear to approve
    if anyone else has the cheek to disagree and we end up with the whole thread being dominated by petty arguments, and threats to report those with equally strong, but differing points of view.

     

    Excellent post. 

    As there are many more members than pitches it's guaranteed that the high season will be busy and a money spinner. 

    I wouldn't be surprised if the CC keep raising prices to see how far they can go before bookings suffer. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #142

    The poster currently known as AA asked a none specific question about how much of an increase members would stand, and indicated that he would be very interested in an answer from C. The specific amounts came later, and you gave a very good answer! Pages
    ago! Hours ago! But not everyone is reading all of each post, nor are they keeping up with the discussion. Hope this helps.

    Like you, we set an average nightly price we are prepared to pay, and stick to it. Currently £18 per night, although to date we are averaging more like £14 per night! The savings go on wine, women and song! (I made the last bit up!)

    the song?

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #143

    "I can't get no Satisfaction....!"Innocent

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #144

    Who haven't you accused......? Smile

    Are you going to answer the question about how far they can put them up before you aren't happy with them? 10%? 20% Anything?

    I've accused no one as you know. 

    Some people are never satisfied. Are you, Ian? Always digging away and picking on insignificant little things. Keeps you out of real mischief I expect. 

    You tell me how much my income will go up by and I might be able to answer your hypothetical question. I only deal in realities. 

    Some on here would 'report' such a rude post.

    Anyway, it will be 2.5% maximum.......based on the triple lock rules on state pensions and the link to RPI/CPI for most occupational and private pensions.

    So what's your answer to the question then?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #145

    Who haven't you accused......? Smile

    Are you going to answer the question about how far they can put them up before you aren't happy with them? 10%? 20% Anything?

    I've accused no one as you know. 

    Some people are never satisfied. Are you, Ian? Always digging away and picking on insignificant little things. Keeps you out of real mischief I expect. 

    You tell me how much my income will go up by and I might be able to answer your hypothetical question. I only deal in realities. 

    Some on here would 'report' such a rude post.

    Anyway, it will be 2.5% maximum.......based on the triple lock rules on state pensions and the link to RPI/CPI for most occupational and private pensions.

    So what's your answer to the question then?

    Rude? Check out some of your own if you want to see rude.

    You don't know the source of my income. You're guessing. Therefore, I can't reply. End of.

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #146

    "Some on here would 'report' such a rude post."



    Ian, do you really call that rude? How about this one?



    "Oh, please stop saying 'why so serious'.

    I do agree that it's best that you drop out of the debate though......you clearly don't like to see any view opposite from your own if you keep having to resort to calling it 'ridiculing'. 

    Anyway, bye bye.........leave it to the big boys now eh?"





    I'm sure you recognise it! I just put it down to "the poster" being tired and irritable at the end of a long day! Wink



  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #147

    Geez.....some people are so touchy! Wink

    Anyway......any chance of some comments on site prices?

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #148

    Ian, did you not read my answer to Alan's question then?

    Page 9, just after your comment about taking up a pitch if it was free ( which don't forget, you can already do for up to 4 hours if wardens say it's OK!) Laughing

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #149

    I would like to see a proper 10% increase in peak time bookings.  I would also like to see a reduction in off peak rates involving   no site charge and only charging for the number of adults at the going rate for the period. Children under 12 years old would
    go free during that time.

    On another point I see that there are members of this forum deliberately trying to reopen the Departures discussion. This is disrespectful to the OP and to the decent members who want to discuss Site Prices.

    By all means start a new thread if your group want to reopen the discussion, Im sure it will be well supported but dont hijack other threads.

    K Cool

     

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #150

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on
     how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??. 

    Cool

    yes you have missed it, and I answered

    but I am amused that you think a) I have to answer or b) been waiting for an answer to a  question you never asked, c) why you aren't asking anyone else as the question was aimed at 'members' not just me.

    Write your comments here...As the question was from AA why are you aiming your comments in my direction. Seems very strange behavior .

    I must admit I am disappointed in your answer. As a mathematics teacher your answer  was devoid of any mathematical logic.

    At least you did answer  though so we should be content with that. Others kept their head down.

    K Cool

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #151

    K, how do you propose the Club raises the peak time bookings by 10%? And could you explain your no site charge and adults at the going rate bit as well please, I seem to be a bit baffled. Not quite sure what you are suggesting to be honest. I understand
    the under 12 going free, but you don't say if this is at all times or if at certain times?