Site fees
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By the way....spending £250k on a play area is outragious.....
Write your comments here...I agree, Why dont parents enjoy their kids company on holiday and do family activities together. ???
Sending them to go and play away from the van is abdicating their family responsibility. A set of baby swings are all that is really needed, where the parents can take their babies to enjoy those swings.---- They would cost a darn sight cheaper than £250K
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It is at Ferry Meadows! The whole place is surrounded by wonderful family things to do. Never been to a site that had so much to do for families in such close proximity. Mind you.... could be forward planning, venue for COTY, so who knows, there might even
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Given that families are spending so much during peak, when they are consuming very little in the way of electricity, it only seems fair they get some of it spent to their advantage. £250k on a play area seems fair enough. After all it is possible they are
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We are at Ferry Meadows which is very busy, two A and two C£27.50 per night ,£250,000 has just been spent on play area,its very busy
According to the web site, it's £34.00 per night
(2 adults @£8.70, 2 children @£3.00 and 1 site fee at £10.60)
Tut tut JVB......are you trying to bolster the 'CC are as cheap as commercials' argument?
Write your comments here... sorry was looking at Fakenham but just proves a site with 258pitches is not a problem cost wise,these days and only four available pitches friday
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Given that families are spending so much during peak, when they are consuming very little in the way of electricity, it only seems fair they get some of it spent to their advantage. £250k on a play area seems fair enough. After all it is possible they are
subsidising us off peak.Oh, Steve, you tease!
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Given that families are spending so much during peak, when they are consuming very little in the way of electricity, it only seems fair they get some of it spent to their advantage. £250k on a play area seems fair enough. After all it is possible they are
subsidising us off peak.Write your comments here... except this week when its been colder than December and plenty of radiant heaters in the awnings
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Given that families are spending so much during peak, when they are consuming very little in the way of electricity, it only seems fair they get some of it spent to their advantage. £250k on a play area seems fair enough. After all it is possible they are subsidising us off peak.
What, by paying only £3 per night for kids at peak period?
Yeah, that's really subsidsing the rest of us.......especially when the kids leave the toilet facilities looking like a swamp.
Steve......what are you using as a benchmark cost to assess that £250k is reasonable for a play area? As a chartered surveyor and construction cost consultant, I'd be interested to hear where you get your cost data from.
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Given that families are spending so much during peak, when they are consuming very little in the way of electricity, it only seems fair they get some of it spent to their advantage. £250k on a play area seems fair enough. After all it is possible they are
subsidising us off peak.What, by paying only £3 per night for kids at peak period?
Yeah, that's really subsidsing the rest of us.......especially when the kids leave the toilet facilities looking like a swamp.
Steve......what are you using as a benchmark cost to assess that £250k is reasonable for a play area? As a chartered surveyor and construction cost consultant, I'd be interested to hear where you get your cost data from.
Write your comments here...plus the higher pitch and adults prices
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The site fees represent the costs incurred in running them and while inflation is a factor the costs of running a site can vary from this. Inflation rates cannot b regarded as the badis for judging fees. One site we have been on appeared cheaper than ladt year and the only other CC site we visited was only fractionally more expensive.
Leases on sites are usually reviewed at five or even ten year intervals so these can suddenly become far more expensive to run and costs go up out of all proportion to inflation over the preceeding year.
Business rates may be a major factor in the increases in Scotland as can employment law generally.
Only the club have the information needed to establish if rises are reasonable and without their figures we cannot know if the rises are justified.
Would the new minimum wage level have an impact? e.g on the cost of wardens. I don't know how (or even if) they are actually paid.
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Given that families are spending so much during peak, when they are consuming very little in the way of electricity, it only seems fair they get some of it spent to their advantage. £250k on a play area seems fair enough. After all it is possible they are
subsidising us off peak.What, by paying only £3 per night for kids at peak period?
Yeah, that's really subsidsing the rest of us.......especially when the kids leave the toilet facilities looking like a swamp.
Steve......what are you using as a benchmark cost to assess that £250k is reasonable for a play area? As a chartered surveyor and construction cost consultant, I'd be interested to hear where you get your cost data from.
As others have said, it is more than just the extra cost of the kids. The overall cost between the 15th July and 3rd of September for a family of four, is £34 a night and generally they would consume £2 / £3 of electricity. For us retired folk from 4th January
to 17th March the cost was £14.50 midweek and we were probably burning between £5 and £8 of electricity. So yes I think there is a fair chance they are subsidising our winter breaks. As too costs, unless they are going to build one of these super play areas
at every site, the extra families are paying at all sites can help towards its construction.Also I think you are being rather insulting towards the kids, the adults are often just as much to blame when it comes to the condition of the facilities.
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SteveL is probably correct but the current system is the only one feasible to keep the sites running. I do however think a family deal to help with the peak season costs would encourage more families and help them cut their costs whic frankly can be unreasonably
high when you have four or more on board.We had three children with us at one time and family deals on other sites meant the club lost out on a lot of our business.
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Steve,
Adults paying £8.50 v. Kids at £3.......I think we can safely say it's adults who are subsidising kids.......other people's kids, very often. Kids who use the facilities every bit as much as adults.
Regarding cleanliness (or otherwise) of toilets.....when we were away a couple of weeks ago, the toilets were immaculate during the week. Towards the weekend the families arrived.....and a number of them were a disgrace - despite being cleaned / inspected several times a day by the staff. Granted, it could just be that adults who have kids are the mucky beggers.
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Would the new minimum wage level have an impact? e.g on the cost of wardens. I don't know how (or even if) they are actually paid.
No Spriddler, it does not have a significant impact. Although a lot of employers are using it as an excuse to put prices up.
Take an example of a site with an average of 40 pitches occupied through the year. Four site staff getting an increase of £0.50 per hour would equal - 4 x 40 hours/week x £0.50 x 52 weeks = and increased cost of £4,160
Balanced against 40 pitches x 365 nights = 14,600 pitch nights.
The increased cost would equate to £0.28 per night increase on pitch fees.......compare that with the actual increases in pitch fees this year!
I accept that there would also be some extra employer's NI contributions etc. but there again, a site with only 40 units on it would be unlikely to have 4 full time staff. My figures also ignore the reductions in energy costs this year.
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Would the new minimum wage level have an impact? e.g on the cost of wardens. I don't know how (or even if) they are actually paid.
No Spriddler, it does not have a significant impact. Although a lot of employers are using it as an excuse to put prices up.
Take an example of a site with an average of 40 pitches occupied through the year. Four site staff getting an increase of £0.50 per hour would equal - 4 x 40 hours/week x £0.50 x 52 weeks = and increased cost of £4,160
Balanced against 40 pitches x 365 nights = 14,600 pitch nights.
The increased cost would equate to £0.28 per night increase on pitch fees.......compare that with the actual increases in pitch fees this year!
I accept that there would also be some extra employer's NI contributions etc. but there again, a site with only 40 units on it would be unlikely to have 4 full time staff. My figures also ignore the reductions in energy costs this year.
It is difficult to know the reason behind some of the larger cost increases. Every year costs increase and wage levels have possibly contributed but as the example shows not a lot. Possibly the biggest ones are business rates, waste disposal and if it happens
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Steve,
Adults paying £8.50 v. Kids at £3.......I think we can safely say it's adults who are subsidising kids.......other people's kids, very often. Kids who use the facilities every bit as much as adults.
Regarding cleanliness (or otherwise) of toilets.....when we were away a couple of weeks ago, the toilets were immaculate during the week. Towards the weekend the families arrived.....and a number of them were a disgrace - despite being cleaned / inspected
several times a day by the staff. Granted, it could just be that adults who have kids are the mucky beggers.i have explained this to you before but there is no area of the leisure/travel/holiday business that charges full price for kids even when they take a full adult place (football match, airplanes, cimena...) why is this, it is certainly not that these business
feel sorry for parents, it is to lure full paying adults into their establisments. during school holidays club sites are full of families, if the club and others charged full prices for children these families would go elsewhere, income down and prices would
have to go up in peak/off peak to make up for this. Even if the sites during holidays would then be taken up with couples, the icome from the children would be down.I'm sure not your problem with the toilets would be addressed if full prices were charged. I assume it wasn't a club site you were on, as they were cleaned serveral times day it could not have been a club site as you often comlain about clun sites toilets
only being cleaned once a day. i would suggest you go to club sites where toilets are always in spotless (try and find one review why it says otherwise. I suppose you pay less and get sub standard cleaningActually that sort of blows your idea of that if toliets were being cleaned all day it would be better than the club's present routine.
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My review of Brighton CC sites certainly mentioned the state of the toilets.....ugh!
I'm sorry to hear that
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Would the new minimum wage level have an impact? e.g on the cost of wardens. I don't know how (or even if) they are actually paid.
No Spriddler, it does not have a significant impact. Although a lot of employers are using it as an excuse to put prices up.
Take an example of a site with an average of 40 pitches occupied through the year. Four site staff getting an increase of £0.50 per hour would equal - 4 x 40 hours/week x £0.50 x 52 weeks = and increased cost of £4,160
Balanced against 40 pitches x 365 nights = 14,600 pitch nights.
The increased cost would equate to £0.28 per night increase on pitch fees.......compare that with the actual increases in pitch fees this year!
Write your comments here...
Yes IanH fair point. I know little about CC or commercial sites generally, using only CLs 99% of the time.
(OMG what happened there?!!! Yards of yours and my comments. This is a really pants message board, (especially having no 'Preview' facility). I've been using three of four other Forums successfully for years, including links and photos, so t'aint me ;-)
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i have explained this to you before but there is no area of the leisure/travel/holiday business that charges full price for kids even when they take a full adult place (football match, airplanes, cimena...) why is this, it is certainly not that these business
feel sorry for parents, it is to lure full paying adults into their establisments.I questioned DFDS why it was more expensive to take my motorbike on the N'n - Dieppe crossing that their special offer of car and up to 5 people.
"5 people with a car will spend more on board than a chap on a motorbike" was their unsurprising reply.
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My review of Brighton CC sites certainly mentioned the state of the toilets.....ugh!
I'm sorry to hear that
I'll bet you are.......because it disproves all that you said......
(and I would bet good money that you spent an age trying to find my review
It was about 2 or 3 years sgo. But the situation wirh
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My review of Brighton CC sites certainly mentioned the state of the toilets.....ugh!
I'm sorry to hear that
I'll bet you are.......because it disproves all that you said......
(and I would bet good money that you spent an age trying to find my review
It was about 2 or 3 years sgo. But the situation wirh dirty toilets is still the same in school holidays)well I was trying to be nice, but as someone who has been on more sites in school holidays than you I have never noticed such a state. You really can't exptrapolate like this - one event you have noticed into the whole summer holidays and all sites.
I do not doubt that these things do happen but that was three years ago on a club site and nothing since?
PS did you tell the warden at the time?
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Actually, I would very much doubt that you have been on more sites than me during school holidays (including back in the days when I had to work). And it's many more than once in 3 years......so I can extrapolate. Kids (or the parents of kids, if you prefer)
make a mess of the toilets. Fact.How long did you spend looking for my review?
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well i booked a weekend away at a cc site in january and it cost 12.50 for 3 adults per night and a dog, iv booked the same site in july 40.00 per night same 3 people and dog so whats the differance, i dont have children so dont need school holiday's had
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well i booked a weekend away at a cc site in january and it cost 12.50 for 3 adults per night and a dog, iv booked the same site in july 40.00 per night same 3 people and dog so whats the differance, i dont have children so dont need school holiday's had to book cc site as the private site dosn't take dogs, i pay my memeber ship every year,
Seasonal pricing is not based upon cost but upon demand and what the market will stand. 'Twas ever thus........
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