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  • Wildwood
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    edited June 2016 #152

    site fees are all a matter of opinion. We all have ideas as to what we would like but essentially the correct fee is probably the highest figure that allows the club to get the occupation level they are looking for. On that basis many are too low as they
    could fill some sites at even higher rates but others are not so full so maybe those are pitched too high.

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #153

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on
     how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??. 

    Cool

    yes you have missed it, and I answered

    but I am amused that you think a) I have to answer or b) been waiting for an answer to a  question you never asked, c) why you aren't asking anyone else as the question was aimed at 'members' not just me.

    Write your comments here...As the question was from AA why are you aiming your comments in my direction. Seems very strange behavior .

    I must admit I am disappointed in your answer. As a mathematics teacher your answer  was devoid of any mathematical logic.

    At least you did answer  though so we should be content with that. Others kept their head down.

    K Cool

    That's a rather strange point, K! I'm sure Corners can speak for himself but I assumed he was answering your question "have I missed something?"

    BTW, I'm sure your pointed remark about reopening old threads is just trying to detract from what folk who don't share your views are saying; it couldn't be that you'd mistaken friendly banter between two posters for something more cynical could it? Wink

  • coyote1
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    edited June 2016 #154

    i think the price increase is a bit heavy considering inflation has been low for a long time now,but you go to a club site and you know what you will get i.e no suprises in the toilet blocks,pitches not to close,etc.and most comercial sites were dearer in
    my experience,they are catching up pity its all in one go.If they go up to much people will cut back and it will have an adverse effect.

  • mrlabbo
    mrlabbo Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited June 2016 #155

    So i am new to the forum and the club (only joined about 30 minutes ago) but reading this has really opened my eyes. We were only telling my sister in law how friendly a bunch caravanners were so i wont be recommending this forum if these posts are anything
    to go by.

    As i read it, the OP said he was unhappy with a 22.8% increase in pitch fees which i found to be a very valid point. Someone then said that they felt that as fuel had gone down then that was ok.

    The OP asked what fuel prices had to do with pitch fees and the whole thread descended into a rather strange exchange for an outsider to read. 

    For my opinion, i agree that fuel costs have nothing to do with whether an increase of 22.8% is justified and bore no relevance to the discussion. As with the comments of "you knew the price before you booked" again no relevance to the question of justification
    more aimed at the snide retort that companies and larger organisations use when dealing with customers. Not a comment that needs to be even used in the case of the OPs question as he happily admitted to knowing the price, he just felt it to be unjust. My car
    insurance went up this year so i voted with my feet and swapped insurer, if members who are unhappy with large price hikes did this then things may change (they may not but who knows without trying).

    as i write this i am aware that as a new member this may not start me off on a good foot with some but i feel all involved in this 16 page discussion needed to hear from a newbie on his first experience of coming back into the caravaaning world of all good
    friends together i remembered

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2016 #156

    Welcome To the forum  as you will find there are the majority who are basically happy with the way the Club is going then there are One or two who post with negative comments on most aspects of the club Wink

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #157

    Yes, welcome, and bear in mind that life on site bears little relationship to life on the forum - thankfully.Happy

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #158

    Welcome mrlabbo, your post is an interesting interpretation of how this thread has evolved! Hope you will enjoy being part of the forum, it isn't by any means the real world, that is out there on the sites, and is rather different in most ways than reading
    some of the posts on here! 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #159

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on  how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??. 

    Cool

    yes you have missed it, and I answered

    but I am amused that you think a) I have to answer or b) been waiting for an answer to a  question you never asked, c) why you aren't asking anyone else as the question was aimed at 'members' not just me.

    Write your comments here...As the question was from AA why are you aiming your comments in my direction. Seems very strange behavior .

    I must admit I am disappointed in your answer. As a mathematics teacher your answer  was devoid of any mathematical logic.

    At least you did answer  though so we should be content with that. Others kept their head down.

    K Cool

    That's a rather strange point, K! I'm sure Corners can speak for himself but I assumed he was answering your question "have I missed something?"

    BTW, I'm sure your pointed remark about reopening old threads is just trying to detract from what folk who don't share your views are saying; it couldn't be that you'd mistaken friendly banter between two posters for something more cynical could it? Wink

    I think this equations fits, one of my favourites, it has all human history in it, has been used for countess proofs (even the existance of God), so should fit with what' K wants.

     

  • SteveL
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    edited June 2016 #160

    As i read it, the OP said he was unhappy with a 22.8% increase in pitch fees which i found to be a very valid point.
    Someone then said that they felt that as fuel had gone down then that was ok.

    Welcome to the club mrlabbo. However, I'm not sure you read my post correctly

    Are you sure it is that high, when I checked our May tour the increase was much less than that and more than covered by the decrease in fuel costs.

    The link between increased site prices and decreased fuel costs is a pure statement of fact. I fail to see where I have said that it is OK.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #161

    I think quite a few misinterpreted/ misread your original post Steve, good to have the clarification.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited June 2016 #162

    Any plain vanilla site, CC or commercial, is unlikely to get my custom once the price goes above £20. The stretching of the 'peak period' smacks of 'squeezing until the pips squeak'. There has been a suggestion that peak prices should rise to reflect demand
    in order to maximise income. There was clearly a significant demand for air travel but it is only the low cost airlines that have led to increased passenger numbers. For many the established players were just too expensive and they didn't buy the product.
    Is that what we want for CC?

  • Oneputt
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    edited June 2016 #163

    Most CC sites raise their prices by 40% during school holidays which IMO is disgraceful/outrageous. If you look at the CC accounts for 2014 Sites made a profit of over £1.5 million pounds so from a commercial aspect there is no justification for CC ltd to
    penalise working members of this so called club.

  • SteveL
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    edited June 2016 #164

    Whilst I think the club have gone a little overboard in their price rises this year, particularly in the extension of peak, they are operating in a commercial environment. The majority of commercials inflate their prices even more than the CC in the school
    holidays. It would not make economic sense for the CC to dramatically undercut them. They would be throwing away potential earnings for which they could be rightly criticised. At least being a club means profits are not being siphoned off and are put back
    into the business, for the benifit of all members.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #165

    agree, you also have to look at the non club sites around a club site and their prices. I've done this a number of times (and posted it) for my favourite locations but in peak season club sites are usually in the middle

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #166

    I believe Cornersteady was asked for his opinion, by Alan Alde some 6 hours ago,  on  how far they can put the prices  up before he considered it a step too far  .---  Have I missed the reply ??. 

    Cool

    yes you have missed it, and I answered

    but I am amused that you think a) I have to answer or b) been waiting for an answer to a  question you never asked, c) why you aren't asking anyone else as the question was aimed at 'members' not just me.

    Write your comments here...As the question was from AA why are you aiming your comments in my direction. Seems very strange behavior .

    I must admit I am disappointed in your answer. As a mathematics teacher your answer  was devoid of any mathematical logic.

    At least you did answer  though so we should be content with that. Others kept their head down.

    K Cool

    That's a rather strange point, K! I'm sure Corners can speak for himself but I assumed he was answering your question "have I missed something?"

    BTW, I'm sure your pointed remark about reopening old threads is just trying to detract from what folk who don't share your views are saying; it couldn't be that you'd mistaken friendly banter between two posters for something more cynical could it? Wink

    I think this equations fits, one of my favourites, it has all human history in it, has been used for countess proofs (even the existance of God), so should fit with what' K wants.

     

    Write your comments here...What it doesn't do however, is provide the answer to the question asked of you by AlanAlde. 

    A Exam marker would give exceptionally low marks for that effort due to the examinee either not understanding the question, or giving a totally incorrect answer. 

     CoolWink

     Let me bring this thread back on track by saying that the CC site fees IMO should follow the standard Tourist industry model. i.e.  Make as much profit as possible during periods of high demand to offset huge reductions during slack business periods. 

    Every other leisure business finds this effective and profitable, why should the CC retail business not follow suit. 

    Cool

  • Oneputt
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    edited June 2016 #167

    So K if you believe that it should follow the commercial model and maximise it's already bloated profit (during school holidays) what is the point of calling it a club then penalising the family element?

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #168

    Whilst not entirely disagreeing with the business model you support K, it is possibly not the aim and objective of the CC to operate on such a cut throat basis, hence the "Club" element and some of the  operating/booking/payment options, such as no deposits, unpenalised cancellation quite close to take up date. I have no doubt that a lot of these elements are what most members love about the Club, and what makes membership still popular. I admit that personally, it isn't always what suits us, but as we are members almost solely for access to CLs, and get our fee back via the Great Days out offers, then we are happy to stay members. We also make best use of the cheap no facility sites, and big Winter discounts.

    Edit: you have criticised C for not responding to a question, have you any clarification on the post I asked you about on the previous page?

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #169

     "Every other leisure business finds this effective and profitable, why should the CC retail business not follow suit. "

    Possibly because, whatever some folk think to the contrary, the club retains some small element of being a club and offering an alternative to the standard industry model, including encouraging families who don't want/need all singing all dancing facilities with reasonable costs in peak periods (compared to a number of holiday park organisations).

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #170

    Any plain vanilla site, CC or commercial, is unlikely to get my custom once the price goes above £20. The stretching of the 'peak period' smacks of 'squeezing until the pips squeak'. There has been a suggestion that peak prices should rise to reflect demand
    in order to maximise income. There was clearly a significant demand for air travel but it is only the low cost airlines that have led to increased passenger numbers. For many the established players were just too expensive and they didn't buy the product.
    Is that what we want for CC?

    CY, have you recently changed your brand of Tea? One or two phrases are very reminiscent of another poster, very fond of vanilla and pips squeaking!Happy

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #171

    Whilst not entirely disagreeing with the business model you support K, it is possibly not the aim and objective of the CC to operate on such a cut throat basis, hence the "Club" element and some of the  operating/booking/payment options, such as no deposits, unpenalised cancellation quite close to take up date. I have no doubt that a lot of these elements are what most members love about the Club, and what makes membership still popular. I admit that personally, it isn't always what suits us, but as we are members almost solely for access to CLs, and get our fee back via the Great Days out offers, then we are happy to stay members. We also make best use of the cheap no facility sites, and big Winter discounts.

    Edit: you have criticised C for not responding to a question, have you any clarification on the post I asked you about on the previous page?

    Write your comments here...Never noticed the question and have no time to plough through the thread to find your post,     ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------so here's the answers. 10% on Site fee and 10% each person at Peak times.

    No site fee and normal off peak price  per person for Off peak times.

    Chidren up to the age of 12 go free during off peak time.

    That, hopefully should clarify it for you

    Smile

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #172

    So i am new to the forum and the club (only joined about 30 minutes ago) but reading this has really opened my eyes. We were only telling my sister in law how friendly a bunch caravanners were so i wont be recommending this forum if these posts are anything to go by.

    As i read it, the OP said he was unhappy with a 22.8% increase in pitch fees which i found to be a very valid point. Someone then said that they felt that as fuel had gone down then that was ok.

    The OP asked what fuel prices had to do with pitch fees and the whole thread descended into a rather strange exchange for an outsider to read. 

    For my opinion, i agree that fuel costs have nothing to do with whether an increase of 22.8% is justified and bore no relevance to the discussion. As with the comments of "you knew the price before you booked" again no relevance to the question of justification more aimed at the snide retort that companies and larger organisations use when dealing with customers. Not a comment that needs to be even used in the case of the OPs question as he happily admitted to knowing the price, he just felt it to be unjust. My car insurance went up this year so i voted with my feet and swapped insurer, if members who are unhappy with large price hikes did this then things may change (they may not but who knows without trying).

    as i write this i am aware that as a new member this may not start me off on a good foot with some but i feel all involved in this 16 page discussion needed to hear from a newbie on his first experience of coming back into the caravaaning world of all good friends together i remembered

    Some excellent comments there, mrlabbo..........especially the bit about snide comments. Smile

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2016 #173

    Whilst not entirely disagreeing with the business model you support K, it is possibly not the aim and objective of the CC to operate on such a cut throat basis, hence the "Club" element and some of the  operating/booking/payment options, such as no deposits,
    unpenalised cancellation quite close to take up date. I have no doubt that a lot of these elements are what most members love about the Club, and what makes membership still popular. I admit that personally, it isn't always what suits us, but as we are members
    almost solely for access to CLs, and get our fee back via the Great Days out offers, then we are happy to stay members. We also make best use of the cheap no facility sites, and big Winter discounts.

    Edit: you have criticised C for not responding to a question, have you any clarification on the post I asked you about on the previous page?

    Write your comments here...Never noticed the question and have no time to plough through the thread to find your post,     ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------so here's the answers. 10% on Site fee and
    10% each person at Peak times.

    No site fee and normal off peak price  per person for Off peak times.

    Chidren up to the age of 12 go free during off peak time.

    That, hopefully should clarify it for you

    Smile

    That's much clearer K. Your original post on page 16 stated that you wanted the Club to raise
    bookings by 10%. What you in fact meant was raise some prices by 10%. Those that affect family groups possibly the most, peak times, school holidays.

  • moulesy
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    edited June 2016 #174

    It would be interesting to know how raising prices at peak times ( penalising families) presumably in order to cut off peak prices (advantaging those who can pick and choose when tobgo, ourselves included of course) fits with a desire to encourage families
    to use club sites. Undecided

  • SteveL
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    edited June 2016 #175

    so here's the answers. 10% on Site fee and 10% each person at Peak times.

    No site fee and normal off peak price  per person for Off peak times.

    Chidren up to the age of 12 go free during off peak time.

    That, hopefully should clarify it for you

    Smile

    I am not sure I understand your logic K. I thought the reason you wanted to increase fees at peak was because the sites are oversubscribed. This also applies to quite a few sites at weekend off peak. Yet you seem to be proposing an across the board reduction, not just midweek, when they can have low occupancy.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited June 2016 #176

    It would be interesting to know how raising prices at peak times ( penalising families) presumably in order to cut off peak prices (advantaging those who can pick and choose when tobgo, ourselves included of course) fits with a desire to encourage families
    to use club sites. Undecided

    Perhaps they don't? some people just don't like sharing a site with children, nothing wrong with that at all as it's their choice how to spend their holidays and money, but the club does cater for families and since they joined the club...

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2016 #177

    We are at Ferry Meadows which is very busy, two A and two C£27.50 per night ,£250,000 has just been spent on play area,its very busy

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #178

    What does two A and two C mean? Undecided

  • jeffcc
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    edited June 2016 #179

    guess that would be two adults and two kids

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2016 #180

    guess that would be two adults and two kids

    Write your comments here...{#emotions_dlg.wink}

  • IanH
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    edited June 2016 #181

    We are at Ferry Meadows which is very busy, two A and two C£27.50 per night ,£250,000 has just been spent on play area,its very busy

    According to the web site, it's £34.00 per night

    (2 adults @£8.70, 2 children @£3.00 and 1 site fee at £10.60)

    Tut tut JVB......are you trying to bolster the 'CC are as cheap as commercials' argument? Wink