Pitch allocation at Rowntree
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Mitzi, I am sure you will agree that back in the 70s and 80s a 14ft van was accepted as being perfectly adequate for families, in that case why is it the fashion for many large vans now to be use solely by couples. This increasing use of large units seems
to be a peculiar British trait, when we were in France last year you could almost guarantee that large vans coincided with British occupantsIf somone requires a larger pitch there should be some cost involved similar to extra leg room on an aircraft being an upgrade
It's very presuptious of you to be sure about what I will aree or disgree with. Maybe we should agree to disagree.
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Mitzi, I am sure you will agree that back in the 70s and 80s a 14ft van was accepted as being perfectly adequate for families, in that case why is it the fashion for many large vans now to be use solely by couples. This increasing use of large units seems to be a peculiar British trait, when we were in France last year you could almost guarantee that large vans coincided with British occupants
If somone requires a larger pitch there should be some cost involved similar to extra leg room on an aircraft being an upgrade
Write your comments here...Do you think that those couples may have dogs! or maybe have mobility problems and on occasions want to take grandchildren away with them, or just want space to live their holidays they want to.
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Mitzi, I am sure you will agree that back in the 70s and 80s a 14ft van was accepted as being perfectly adequate for families, in that case why is it the fashion for many large vans now to be use solely by couples. This increasing use of
large units seems to be a peculiar British trait, when we were in France last year you could almost guarantee that large vans coincided with British occupantsIf somone requires a larger pitch there should be some cost involved similar to extra leg room on an aircraft being an upgrade
It might be the fact that the weather in this country is somewhat variable and modern vans allow use all year round, even in sub zero. This was much less common in the 70 & 80's. As far as paying extra for a larger pitch, that is just adding complication
at the risk of alienating folk. So all the smaller pitches are sold, filled with vans that only just fit and the chap with the tiny Eriba has just had to pay extra for a tennis court. No lets just stick to the current system and let wardens do the job they
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Why should it alienate folk? You get what you pay for. I'm a big advocate of choosing on booking;
HS/grass
Full service pitch/ordinary
Awning/non awning
We have to pay extra for a full service pitch so why not for an awning pitch (larger) over a non awning pitch (smaller).
At the moment we all pay the same so I would expect to have the full choice of pitches and seeing some "reserved" annoys me.
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I do not want a long caravan.
We need a washroom that we both can use without being cramped; a full size bed that can be used at any time without having to be made up; a small kitchen with sink, cooker, fridge and some storage; and space for four people to lounge or dine.
With the necessary A-frame and wall thickness this comes out at 26 feet. So I need a pitch to accomodate that, and many do.
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We need a washroom that we both can use without being cramped;
At the same time?
Navigateur, they all seem wants to me. needs are a 6 berth caravan for 6 people not a 4 berth for two people.
So are you saying that your need for a large pitch for your large caravan overides my choice of pitch for my 2 berth
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The answer is, of course, that every pitch should be able to take every outfit apart from awning and non awning pitches. If a pitch is smaller then that should be noted when you book and you should pay less for it.
Everybody is free to buy the unit they want whether a small 2 berth or a massive 6 wheel motorhome but, as pricing is that the moment, why should a pitch be reserved for the MH rather than the 2 berth caravan?
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I'd pay my membership fee before I decided to influence pricing policy! But perhaps you have?
Asking the question of GT!
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We need a washroom that we both can use without being cramped;
At the same time?
Yes, at the same time (and for reasons that are none of anyone else's business). These are basic needs. If they can not be fulfilled then we would not be caravaning.
I dont mind having the tow hitch well arcoss the access road; I dont mind parking my Land Rover on the grass (3 meters and all); I dont mind taking shots at the wandering quadruped peeing on my kit; I dont mind coming back at 2am as part of a roudy mob - but I don't as I consider these things unsociable.
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At the same time (and for reasons that are none of anyone else's business).
Fair comment
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We use CC sites mainly in low season, we have noticed that, like us, many site users are getting on a bit and most of the vans are pretty big. Many are twin axles, but not all big vans are T/As.
Mainly it is only a couple in the van, but as someone already said, some have dogs, some take along grandchildren, or even adult children, or other relatives.....we often have my sister with us, so you buy the van that suits your needs.
We like a decent space, we go away for weeks/months at a time, we are well past roughing it.
Width is not an issue, our van is just the standard width, it is only length. We can fit on most pitches, but it could mean that the rear end has to overhang the grass. That's OK with us. We only have a Fiamma Zip awning, so no problem there with size.
However, not all sites or pitches can accommodate a van being parked further back, it can mean it would be too close to the van behind. This is probably one of the problems at Rowntree.
There are only a few sites where the length limit is below 8m, so on the vast majority off CC sites if you are 8m your booking will be accepted. Having made a booking we expect it to be honoured, if this means allocating pitches on occasions then this is
what has to happen.We would have no problem with paying a little extra for a longer pitch if necessary, but at present the Club does not operate in that manner.
So if you see longer pitches set aside for longer vans, why does it annoy people so much? The van will still be in proportion to the size of the pitch, the occupants are not gaining any extra gravel they can use to sit out on. The extra space is inside
the van, and they have already paid for that!If you go north in Europe, you will see plenty of longer vans being used, it's not just the Brits that like a bit of space.
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Why should it alienate folk? You get what you pay for. I'm a big advocate of choosing on booking;
HS/grass
Full service pitch/ordinary
Awning/non awning
We have to pay extra for a full service pitch so why not for an awning pitch (larger) over a non awning pitch (smaller).
At the moment we all pay the same so I would expect to have the full choice of pitches and seeing some "reserved" annoys me.
I don't find it annoying at all. It is just good site management.
If you are going to charge extra for pitch quality (as in size) as well as facilities ( as in service pitch). At places like Berwick, you would have to charge extra for some of the smaller pitches, which have the best sea view. Similarly at Wirral Country Park, where a few pitches, although being a similar size, have amazing views. All too complicated in my opinion, lets leave it as it is with just the extra charge for a service pitch.
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Common sense dictates that the CC should decide on the maximum size of unit allowed on their sites and design all of their pitches to accommodate any unit up to that size.
Anybody with a unit larger than the CC maximum should simply go elsewhere.
It just needs positive action by Grimstead Towers. -----Simples
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...I think it states on all sites the Max size of unit even if it might only be a couple of pitches of that size,
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Common sense dictates that the CC should decide on the maximum size of unit allowed on their sites and design all of their pitches to accommodate any unit up to that size.
Anybody with a unit larger than the CC maximum should simply go elsewhere.
It just needs positive action by Grimstead Towers. -----Simples
K
...I think it states on all sites the Max size of unit even if it might only be a couple of pitches of that size,
It may not always be feasible to make all pitches the same size although that would be the ideal solution. If you accept that pitch size varies then you have got to look at pitch allocation. Basically if you have caravans longer than some pitches you need to reserve pitches for them and if you have some very short pitches then you need to make sure those that fit them use them.
Those that complain about this are simply not looking at the big picture.
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Why should it alienate folk? You get what you pay for. I'm a big advocate of choosing on booking;
HS/grass
Full service pitch/ordinary
Awning/non awning
We have to pay extra for a full service pitch so why not for an awning pitch (larger) over a non awning pitch (smaller).
At the moment we all pay the same so I would expect to have the full choice of pitches
and seeing some "reserved" annoys me.I don't find it annoying at all. It is just good site management.
If you are going to charge extra for pitch quality (as in size) as well as facilities ( as in service pitch). At places like Berwick, you would have to charge extra for some of the smaller pitches, which have the best sea view. Similarly at Wirral Country
Park, where a few pitches, although being a similar size, have amazing views. All too complicated in my opinion, lets leave it as it is with just the extra charge for a service pitch.Write your comments here...And It's those pitches at Wirral Country Park where you see the cones, also they are not the largest pitches!!!
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I don't find it annoying at all. It is just good site management.
If you are going to charge extra for pitch quality (as in size) as well as facilities ( as in service pitch). At places like Berwick, you would have to charge extra for some of the smaller pitches, which have the best sea view. Similarly at Wirral Country Park, where a few pitches, although being a similar size, have amazing views. All too complicated in my opinion, lets leave it as it is with just the extra charge for a service pitch.
Write your comments here...And It's those pitches at Wirral Country Park where you see the cones, also they are not the largest pitches!!!
I think it would be better if you said what you mean, rather than this vague statement and multiple exclamation marks.
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Can I just say (again).......having been to this site many times and having pitched all over it, all the pitches would fit a twin axle caravan.
Some pitches are smaller than others (sometimes, but not always, because they are non-awning). Most pitches have hedges behind them and you back right up to the hedge, so not having space behind isn't an issue. There is space on every pitch for the car to
go next to the caravan.Whilst most pitches are of a reasonable size, some are bigger than others. But if you book, for example, an awning pitch, there will be room for a car, twin axle caravan and an awning.
So yes, some will have a bit more room than others. Especially if you have a small camper van. But surely no one is suggesting that the small camper van arriving at 12:05 should be told which pitch to go on, so that a twin axle owner arriving much later
(or even the next day) can have a larger pitch reserved for them?If you want the choice of your preferred / best / biggest pitch, then you need to get on and get there......and should not expect special treatment.
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Quite simple, having visited Wirral Country Park several times, the pitches with a view are the only ones that have ever been seen with cones on. Nothing vague about that, draw your own conclusions
Still vague I am afraid, you were there not me, what did you think, or establish, was the reason for the cones. Drawing my own conclusions would be pointless, I do not have enough facts.
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Quite simple, having visited Wirral Country Park several times, the pitches with a view are the only ones that have ever been seen with cones on. Nothing vague about that, draw your own conclusions
...Are they well used grass pitches? or are you saying that when you arrive they have cones on that are then let later,and is it every time you use said site,have not been ourselves but is on our to do list
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Hi all,
As members may be aware, over the last 12 months Rowntree Park has undergone some major redevelopment works to improve the appearance of the site and remove the old derelict building that split the site in two.
Part of this redevelopment involved the removal and relocation of the dividing hedges to increase the number of awning pitches from 10 to 47, which was something that members had been requesting since the pitching exercise that was carried out in 2013.
As a result of this work, almost 50% of the site can once again accommodate awnings but for this to happen and to comply with fire regulations, it is sometimes necessary to allocate pitches and the larger outfits need to have the larger pitches allocated
to them.
I hope that's answered some questions!Rochelle
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No Rochelle, I'm afraid it doesn't answer the question at all.
You are confusing awnings (width and spacing requirements) with length of a unit. The introduction of more awning pitches has nothing to do with the length of a caravan.
Also, the new layout was in place for most of last year and reserving of pitches was not apparantly required all of last year. It appears to be a new thing.
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I like being able to pick my own pitch and that is why I remain in the club.We try to get to sites between 12 and 1 to make sure we get a suitable pitch for the van , but what niggled me at York was the fact so many pitches had cones on for twin axles and
motorhomes , leaving us two pitches to pick from one which was not at all suitable, as we would have had the nose of the van on the road and the other was not that good either but at least we got on, this was about 12-30 , then seeing smaller motorhomes getting
the reserved pitches does not make sense.We all pay the same membership fee and we should all have the same choice of pitches , first come first served with the exception of disabled requirements.
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No Rochelle, I'm afraid it doesn't answer the question at all.
You are confusing awnings (width and spacing requirements) with length of a unit. The introduction of more awning pitches has nothing to do with the length of a caravan.
Also, the new layout was in place for most of last year and reserving of pitches was not apparantly required all of last year. It appears to be a new thing.
Ian we have also used this site numerous times ,and I think your idea of "All"pitches will take TA vans is a bit "clouded" as the last time we were there ,without obstructing the exit road a TA would not have fitted on the pitch we used, and opposite but a bit further down a M/v was in at an angle to clear the road
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