Broadway - Part 2

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  • Oldgirl and Staffy
    Oldgirl and Staffy Forum Participant Posts: 414
    edited February 2016 #32

    I've just noticed that you've posted this thread Wherenext.   What I think this episode demonstrates is the need for members to become actively involved in the running of the Club.  We all get notifications of Management meetings but I bet not many attend,  That seems the only venue to take up members concerns about issues such as this.

    One has to ask what motivated Savills to make the claims they made in the original submission.  They must have been fed that information from somewhere.  Alternatively, if it was a fiction on their part in order  to strengthen the submission to the local authority then I would suggest it is highly unprofessional however big a company this is.

  • ErnieJH
    ErnieJH Forum Participant Posts: 114
    edited February 2016 #33

    I've just noticed that you've posted this thread Wherenext.   What I think this episode demonstrates is the need for members to become actively involved in the running of the Club.  We all get notifications of Management meetings but I bet not many attend,
     That seems the only venue to take up members concerns about issues such as this.

    One has to ask what motivated Savills to make the claims they made in the original submission.  They must have been fed that information from somewhere.  Alternatively, if it was a fiction on their part in order  to strengthen the submission to the local
    authority then I would suggest it is highly unprofessional however big a company this is.

    Please excuse my ignorance, but what are the Management meetings mentioned above, I don't think I have heard of them before. Or perhaps I have just been asleep.

     

  • Oldgirl and Staffy
    Oldgirl and Staffy Forum Participant Posts: 414
    edited February 2016 #34

    See the
    Articles of Association     ejehoward.  

  • Wherenext
    Wherenext Club Member Posts: 10,607 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2016 #35

    Further to my OP I am now enclosing a copy of an email sent today to the club asking for clarification on a number of points. Let us hope we get a full explanation but I wouldn't put any money on it.

    "First of all thank you for getting back to me. However your letter doesn’t allay all of my concerns as your explanation leaves many questions unanswered. The main ones being:

     

    1. I assume that Savills are acting on behalf of the CC. If so I cannot imagine that they would unilaterally decided to include OUR sites in applications for turning them into housing. If they did take these decisions by themselves then what action is
    the CC taking against them?

    2. Assuming that they did not make these decisions on their own then who at the CC authorised Savills to include them? 

    3. If someone in a senior position at the CC did indeed make this decision then who did that person consult and why were the members of this club not canvassed for their opinions? I do understand that members cannot be consulted about the day to day running
    of the CC otherwise it would grind to a halt. However, the proposed selling off of Prime Location Sites would upset so many members that this decision should have been thrown open to let us air our views.

    4. How many other sites apart from the three sites mentioned are there that have been put forward? I think the members do need to know.

     

    The above are the most important questions that spring to mind but not the only ones. 

     

    I do feel that this episode shows the club in a very shabby light.

     

    I now await your reply."

     

  • IanH
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    edited March 2016 #36

    Still no comment from the CC on this very important issue.

    Mention a topic in the wrong category and they will be all over you like a rash........

  • IanH
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    edited March 2016 #37

    And I see that the original thread on Broadway is now closed......any particular reason? Certainly none has been given (which I consider to be very rude).

  • ADP1963
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    edited March 2016 #38

    And I see that the original thread on Broadway is now closed......any particular reason? Certainly none has been given (which I consider to be very rude).

    Write your comments here...This seems par for the course lately!.

  • JayEss
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    edited March 2016 #39

    I'd like to know how many sites in addition to the ones I found have been promoted for development.  The answer to that is very evasive.

  • Wherenext
    Wherenext Club Member Posts: 10,607 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2016 #40

    The person I wrote to did send an automated email stating that she was away from the office until today. I assume she will have to seek guidance to either answer my questions or refuse to divulge anything further. So I am not anticipating an urgent reply
    but don't intend to just forget matters. I'll let people know if I do receive anything and I assume other members will have written expressing their anger and will do likewise should they receive anything from the club.

  • JayEss
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    edited March 2016 #41

    I'm going to try to get to one of the question time events to ask the question.  I'm going to struggle with the one on Saturday though

    I expect to be fobbed off

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2016 #42

    I received a phone call today in response to my recent emails.

    The CC representative confirmed that they have received reassurances from Savills that they have rectified the position of the CC for  all sites that were erroneously included in planning applications for housing developments with the relevant planning departments.

    It would appear that the CC did not actually put these sites forward as indicated by Savills and that "the appropriate discussions between the CC and Savills have now taken place" (I paraphrase).

    She could not confirm that there were more than 3 sites but did not deny it either. I'm not sure she knows.

    It was agreed that the CC have not covered themselves in glory and that there was a good argument to be made about the poor response to members concerns.

    I can't see the point of pursuing this any further unless more errors from Savills come to light. Please feel free to write to the club if you feel the need.

    I will try to answer any query regarding my communications with the CC that CT members require.

     

  • HelenandTrevor
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    edited March 2016 #43

    Thank you Wherenext for all your work, regarding this. It's good to know we won't be losing these sites anytime soon.

  • Oneputt
    Oneputt Club Member Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2016 #44

    Thanks WN so the question remains what precisely were the CCs instructions to Savills?  

  • IanH
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    edited March 2016 #45

    Thanks for your efforts Wherenext.

    However, what a shockingly poor response! 

    So Savilles just simply put forward 3 CC sites to three separate planning authorities, for no reason and without any discussion with the Club? Perhaps they were having a slow afternoon and just did it for a laugh?

    Seriously, the Club really need to do much, much better.......

  • JayEss
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    edited March 2016 #46

    Thanks WN. 

    I'll hold my hands up and say that in a former life I used to do this sort of work and representations NEVER went in without Client approval so I'm finding this all very strange. 

     

  • Boff
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    edited March 2016 #47

    So the question has to be asked. Why did the Caravan Club employ Savils in the first place?

  • nelliethehooker
    nelliethehooker Club Member Posts: 13,657 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2016 #48

    Maybe the son/brother/sister/daughter/wife/husband of someone at the CC works for Savil's!!Undecided

  • IanH
    IanH Forum Participant Posts: 4,708
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    edited March 2016 #49

    Or maybe.......the CC aren't being very open and honest with their members.......the ones who pay their wages.

    Still no response on here......how bad can customer service get?

  • IanH
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    edited March 2016 #50

    Incidently, would whichever mod closed down the original Broadway thread (the one that exposed this scandal) be polite enough to offer an explanation, please?

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2016 #51

    I did say in the closed thread that Savils are not the best of firms to deal with as they are known , in this area, to be not slow in "enhancing" the product they are sellingUndecided

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2016 #52

    I did say in the closed thread that Savils are not the best of firms to deal with as they are known , in this area, to be not slow in "enhancing" the product they are sellingUndecided

    Write your comments here...Ps I meant earlier in this thread

  • rayjsj
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    edited March 2016 #53

    Still no comment from the CC on this very important issue.

    Mention a topic in the wrong category and they will be all over you like a rash........

    Write your comments here...Our chance will come at the AGM, now I know not many members go, BUT I think this year WE SHOULD. To let the powers that be, know the strength of opinion against the selling of the freehold, of some of the Club's Prime sites. It's up to us.

  • JayEss
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    edited March 2016 #54

    Don't forget the meeting today 



    Venue details  

    Date: Saturday 5th March from 14:00 to 16:00 

    Venue: Britannia Daresbury Park Hotel, Warrington, WA4 4BB  



    Event details

    • Meet The Club Chairman, Grenville Chamberlain 
    • Chat with representatives of Lunar Caravans and Glossop Caravans 
    • Advice from the Cheshire police 
    • Enjoy some light refreshments

    I'm struggling to get there but if anyone could manage it there's an opportunity to put views forward 

  • Boff
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    edited March 2016 #55

    Just a note to say, the meeting referenced above is admission, by ticket only.   I have been informed that it is sold out.  So don't turn up on spec. 

  • JayEss
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    edited March 2016 #56

    Thanks Boff. What a shame. 

  • peedee
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    edited March 2016 #57

    Perhaps someone who has a ticket can ask for further explanation?

    peedee

  • IanH
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    edited March 2016 #58

    How conveniant!

  • Boff
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    edited March 2016 #59

      

    See my comments about the meeting  here

    To be honest I always had a ticket and the room was full. 

  • nelliethehooker
    nelliethehooker Club Member Posts: 13,657 ✭✭✭
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    edited March 2016 #60

    See my comments about the meeting <here>

    Sorry to tell you Boff, but the link is not working.

  • Boff
    Boff Forum Participant Posts: 1,742
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    edited March 2016 #61

    See my comments about the meeting <here>

    Sorry to tell you Boff, but the link is not working.

    Write your comments here...

    See my comments about the meeting <here>

    Sorry to tell you Boff, but the link is not working.

    it is nowLaughing

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