Excessive site charges
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The 3 for 2 night offer only brings the price for the 3 nights down to roughly equal CC prices.
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Yes but you will be getting a lot more for your money.
Perhaps. I was just countering those who say it is cheaper. I've used Oxon Hall a few times in the off season, nice site, but worth more than a Club site, probably not. However the location is excellent.
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ps you also pay for dogs
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Is it case that the CC cannot see the changes within the industry.Private sites open earlier to cater for us oldies (those who still have disposable income). They have attractive offers off season ( again us oldies van allthe year round- not tied to school
holidays). Haven £7 per night in April. Morris 3 for 2. Much better offers than the restricted Mid week offers.
We take advantage of these- less income but the same fixed costs on those CC sites open.that we decline to use.
Agree that the CC could have a look at more attractive "special deals" but you have to bear in mind that Haven, Morris, Sandy Balls etc can only make these special deals for "us oldies" because they are subsidised by the families who have to pay sky high
charges when they use them at peak times. I know the club also raises its prices in school holidauys but nothing like to the same degree.0 -
First thing annullay we do is mark the callender with CC peak periods. (Noticed these have widenened both ends recently). We would then ignore CC sites at that time.Plently of alternatives including staying at home here in August. Out of season the CC is
years behind the times as shown above. No CC site open in Snowdonia Nat Park in early March, yet Morris can fill their site. Its a case of the buyer deciding what and how much he/she will pay for goods or services.With the internet today everything can be
compared.Prices, location, facilities and then one decides what to buy. Seems the CC has not cottoned on to this trend.0 -
Several of the organisations who offer off peak discounts to entice "couples" with no "extras" off peak, are open all year with other types of accomadation that it is cheaper to keep open also with "offers" ,than the expense of shutting the complex down and re-opening,which they then recoup with the much higher costs for families at peak times, we are going on such a break this w/end with full board and entertainment for just £130 for three nights
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First thing annullay we do is mark the callender with CC peak periods. (Noticed these have widenened both ends recently).
We would then ignore CC sites at that time.Plently of alternatives including staying at home here in August. Out of season the CC is years behind the times as shown above. No CC site open in Snowdonia Nat Park in early March, yet Morris can
fill their site. Its a case of the buyer deciding what and how much he/she will pay for goods or services.With the internet today everything can be compared.Prices, location, facilities and then one decides what to buy. Seems the CC has not cottoned on to
this trend.As moulesy stated above families with school age children do not have that luxury, and at these times the CC sites cost less than the commercial alternatives.
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First thing annullay we do is mark the callender with CC peak periods. (Noticed these have widenened both ends recently).
We would then ignore CC sites at that time.Plently of alternatives including staying at home here in August. Out of season the CC is years behind the times as shown above. No CC site open in Snowdonia Nat Park in early March, yet Morris can
fill their site. Its a case of the buyer deciding what and how much he/she will pay for goods or services.With the internet today everything can be compared.Prices, location, facilities and then one decides what to buy. Seems the CC has not cottoned on to
this trend.As moulesy stated above families with school age children do not have that luxury, and at these times the CC sites cost less than the commercial alternatives.
+1 very true
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We stopped using Morris Leisure at Bridgnorth when the minimum booking on a B/H weekend was 4 nights !!
Not been back since .
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We stopped using Morris Leisure at Bridgnorth when the minimum booking on a B/H weekend was 4 nights !!
Not been back since .
Write your comments here...Four is a bit high, but three is a good idea,
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I agree families pay more, like I did when my children were at school. What I am saying is the club is just losing income at off peak times. Their fixed costs are the same if the site is full or empty. Other providers have seen this and have changed their
way of operating.I remember an old shopkereper in Bala saying to me once " A £ in the winter is worth £2 in rhe summer" when everyone wants the product.0 -
We stopped using Morris Leisure at Bridgnorth when the minimum booking on a B/H weekend was 4 nights !!
Not been back since .
Write your comments here...Four is a bit high, but three is a good idea,
Thankfully there are no minimum nights stay attached to club sites and long may it stay that way! I think special deals during quiet times is a good idea, mind! I also like the possibility of slightly later departures the club offers during quiet times when
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I agree families pay more, like I did when my children were at school.
What I am saying is the club is just losing income at off peak times. Their fixed costs are the same if the site is full or empty. Other providers have seen this and have changed their way of operating.I remember an old shopkereper in Bala
saying to me once " A £ in the winter is worth £2 in rhe summer" when everyone wants the product.Well the club could do this by making special offers to "oldies" out of season and then whacking up the prices in July and August. On another thread I quoted the example of Haven at Exmouth wanting £73 a night in August for a family - no club site comes
anywhere near that.It's been such a dismal day here today that I thought I'd look out another example for an area we know well near Perranporth in Cornwall.
For the first week in August, 2 adults, 2 children, awning and a dog.
Treamble Valley (CC) costs £212.10
Haven (Perran Sands) costs £488.95
Trevornick (Holywell Bay) costs £441 (plus at least £55 for an activity pass for the second child.)
Which would you choose? I, for one am content that the club offers reasonable value all year round; I don't want to have special deals
IF they come at the price of those sorts of fees in August.0 -
For the same week, for the same family group assuming the two children are under 11, Fursdon Farm near Liskeard in Cornwall will charge £112. Or £126 if you want a hard standing pitch. Yes it's inland, but has a swimming pool.
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I agree families pay more, like I did when my children were at school.
What I am saying is the club is just losing income at off peak times. Their fixed costs are the same if the site is full or empty. Other providers have seen this and have changed their way of operating.I remember an old shopkereper in Bala
saying to me once " A £ in the winter is worth £2 in rhe summer" when everyone wants the product.Well the club could do this by making special offers to "oldies" out of season and then whacking up the prices in July and August. On another thread I quoted the example of Haven at Exmouth wanting £73 a night in August for a family - no club site comes
anywhere near that.It's been such a dismal day here today that I thought I'd look out another example for an area we know well near Perranporth in Cornwall.
For the first week in August, 2 adults, 2 children, awning and a dog.
Treamble Valley (CC) costs £212.10
Haven (Perran Sands) costs £488.95
Trevornick (Holywell Bay) costs £441 (plus at least £55 for an activity pass for the second child.)
Which would you choose? I, for one am content that the club offers reasonable value all year round; I don't want to have special deals
IF they come at the price of those sorts of fees in August.Write your comments here...I really dont think this is a fair comparison, at Haven yo get swimming pools, activities for kids, entertainment etc. At CC site a toilet block, washing up facilities and if lucky a couple of swings and a slide for the kids to
play on, ask any kid which one they prefer
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In a way, I agree, Michael, they are different kinds of site. But this thread is about "excessive" site fees. The point(s) I was trying to make were that (a) site fees are not excessive compared to other sites in the same area, whatever the facilities and
(b) the club does not, and (IMHO) should not, go down the route of reducung prices for "oldies" out of peak season by whacking up the prices in August thecwayvthat Haven and some others do!To he honest, we wouldn't use club or commercial sites in August normally.
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Moulsey I agree with you and we are the same since the kids grew up we tend to holiday outside of main season (mid July to end Aug) and I do not think the club fees are excessive but in line with other organisations/sites offering similar quality across
all sites, the way it all works with wardens etc needs to be modernised and compared to a CL witha tap and a CDP they are expensive but compared ot Haven they are cheap.0 -
For me, the cost of club vs commercial sites is irrelevant. It is more the principal of a " club " penalising young families ( who they profess to be trying to attract ) by hiking the prices up during school holiday periods, which is the only time such families
can use them ! Our kids have grown up, but we would dearly like to caravan more with them & the Grandkids, but costs prevent this. Running costs do not increase during school holidays, so why should member only club site fees increase ?0 -
In a way, I agree, Michael, they are different kinds of site. But this thread is about "excessive" site fees. The point(s) I was trying to make were that (a) site fees are not excessive compared to other sites in the same area, whatever the facilities and
(b) the club does not, and (IMHO) should not, go down the route of reducung prices for "oldies" out of peak season by whacking up the prices in August thecwayvthat Haven and some others do!To he honest, we wouldn't use club or commercial sites in August normally.
Totally agree moulesy. It would be a shame if it happened as it could deprive families of the choice. Not everyone wants all singing all dancing. Some are content to use the beach as a playground and the sea as a swimming pool and make there own entertainment.
If they can do this at a substantial saving, as you have shown, it opens it up to those who might not be able to afford Haven prices. We also are generally happy to stay a way from sites in August.0 -
In a way, I agree, Michael, they are different kinds of site. But this thread is about "excessive" site fees. The point(s) I was trying to make were that (a) site fees are not excessive compared to other sites in the same area, whatever the facilities and
(b) the club does not, and (IMHO) should not, go down the route of reducung prices for "oldies" out of peak season by whacking up the prices in August thecwayvthat Haven and some others do!To he honest, we wouldn't use club or commercial sites in August normally.
Totally agree moulesy. It would be a shame if it happened as it could deprive families of the choice. Not everyone wants all singing all dancing. Some are content to use the beach as a playground and the sea as a swimming pool and make there own entertainment.
If they can do this at a substantial saving, as you have shown, it opens it up to those who might not be able to afford Haven prices. We also are generally happy to stay a way from sites in August.Totally agree with these sentiments, We took our children away to be with them, walking in Wales, Scotland and the English lakes. They wouldn't have thanked us for those holiday camp type sites. Many wonderful Cls and CC sites out there and the difference
offered would be sadly lost if all sites, commercial and club, were all to adopt the same model. Prices in the club should not penalise or favour any group within the memberships at the expense of another!0 -
, Hmmm !! If you wanted " Holiday Club" facilities ,all singing & dancing ,then WHY did you buy a C/van--M/home to be independant
??Go to "Pontins/Butlins etc ,OR stay in your own private accomodation ,with all your clean familiar facilities around you !! FAR CHEAPER !! Without enforced games and friviolity ,'camp'food etc .( just my opinion!! )
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I agree families pay more, like I did when my children were at school. What I am saying is the club is just losing income at off peak times. Their fixed costs are the same if the site is full or empty. Other providers have seen this and have changed their way of operating.I remember an old shopkereper in Bala saying to me once " A £ in the winter is worth £2 in rhe summer" when everyone wants the product.
Well the club could do this by making special offers to "oldies" out of season and then whacking up the prices in July and August. On another thread I quoted the example of Haven at Exmouth wanting £73 a night in August for a family - no club site comes anywhere near that.
It's been such a dismal day here today that I thought I'd look out another example for an area we know well near Perranporth in Cornwall.
For the first week in August, 2 adults, 2 children, awning and a dog.
Treamble Valley (CC) costs £212.10
Haven (Perran Sands) costs £488.95
Trevornick (Holywell Bay) costs £441 (plus at least £55 for an activity pass for the second child.)
Which would you choose? I, for one am content that the club offers reasonable value all year round; I don't want to have special deals IF they come at the price of those sorts of fees in August.
Write your comments here...I really dont think this is a fair comparison, at Haven yo get swimming pools, activities for kids, entertainment etc. At CC site a toilet block, washing up facilities and if lucky a couple of swings and a slide for the kids to play on, ask any kid which one they prefer
well each to their own of course but we must have mistreated our kids while they were growing up beacuse all they did get was a club site with a few swings and a slide. But they also got lots of fun, games, walks, and, most of all lots of attention with us. I think that's far more important than a swmiming pool to keep them amusmed And we did this most weekends and all the school holidays thanks to the club's middle of the road prices
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While I accept that Haven and the like may not be exactly comparable to club sites there are many that are. What you then get is a broad spectrum of costs some lower and others higher than club sites. The club appear to be just above average but the occupancy
levels would suggest most members accept them as value for money which is more important than being the cheapest.0 -
While I accept that Haven and the like may not be exactly comparable to club sites there are many that are. What you then get is a broad spectrum of costs some lower and others higher than club sites. The club appear to be just above average but the occupancy
levels would suggest most members accept them as value for money which is more important than being the cheapest.very true
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For me, the cost of club vs commercial sites is irrelevant. It is more the principal of a " club " penalising young families ( who they profess to be trying to attract ) by hiking the prices up during school holiday periods, which is the only time such families
can use them ! Our kids have grown up, but we would dearly like to caravan more with them & the Grandkids, but costs prevent this. Running costs do not increase during school holidays,
so why should member only club site fees increase ?Because the "market" can bear it! Should the club increase the off season prices to compensate for a lower peak season price they would find that more of the retired members would move over to the cheaper commercial sites, with their offers, and CLs.
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For me, the cost of club vs commercial sites is irrelevant. It is more the principal of a " club " penalising young families ( who they profess to be trying to attract ) by hiking the prices up during school holiday periods, which is the only time such families
can use them ! Our kids have grown up, but we would dearly like to caravan more with them & the Grandkids, but costs prevent this. Running costs do not increase during school holidays, so why should member only club site fees increase ?...I think on the large sites,extra assistant wardens are employed during the peak period
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For me, the cost of club vs commercial sites is irrelevant. It is more the principal of a " club " penalising young families ( who they profess to be trying to attract ) by hiking the prices up during school holiday periods, which is the only time such families
can use them ! Our kids have grown up, but we would dearly like to caravan more with them & the Grandkids, but costs prevent this. Running costs do not increase during school holidays,
so why should member only club site fees increase ?Because the "market" can bear it! Should the club increase the off season prices to compensate for a lower peak season price they would find that more of the retired members would move over to the cheaper commercial sites, with their offers, and CLs.
It is simply not possible to avoid the peak period increase and stay in business. If you keep the prices down at peak periods you will have the sites full but need to increase prices in the other seasons. This would make the prices far too high compared
with other sites and lose business then. The net result would be the sites would become uneconomic. Like all operators the club is locked into the system and unless all operators change the system the club is stuck with it.0 -
The club needs to increase prices at peak times to discourage the wrinklies from booking. It's not rocket science just common sense.
Write your comments here...and very unfair.......
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