Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked
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Disappointing to see the subject of Covid vaccination becoming a battleground for those don't seem to understand or value the fact that most public servants have more face to face contact with ....er....the public and that that should be a consideration in the decision as to who gets priority.
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That is not the case. The vaccine only reduces the chance of an infected person becoming very ill and possibly dying.
It does NOT:
- Prevent infection.
- Prevent an infected person spreading/shedding the virus.
- Prevent the need to isolate if you catch it.
The experts have said this a zillion times and it is clearly not being understood. One of the reasons they are afraid that inoculated people will think it is all over and stop being careful.
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They are dealing with anti maskers, anti lockdown, illegal parties, the public and the police are needed.
Around 20% are off sick or self isolating as with many other frontlines
Many, like myself (68) have practised limiting the risks and can do so for longer. Front line bobbies have occasionally to get physical. I don't.
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But it would prevent them getting ill and thereby returning to work quicker, or even sadly dying and wasting all that valuable experience and training.
You cannot replace a trained medic or police officer overnight.
I am for those on the 'front line' or key workers being given life saving protection, including the vaccine, to enable them to do their jobs.
The stress alone of exposing oneself to a dangerous situation/illness/death must take it's toll.
Sorry M - snap
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I read this morning that the scientists are very concerned that a ‘jab and go' mentality may prevail with vaxed folk catching and spreading the virus if they breach the restrictions.
The scientists are keen to stress that getting the vax does not mean people can revert to pre covid ways.
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As far as I'm aware the virus runs its course. Whether the person becomes very ill or not they are most likely infectious and still have to stay off work until clear.
We have had three examples in our family. Two teens 'felt a bit grotty' and one 60 year old become quite ill but fully recovered, all took over three weeks before they tested negative.
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stay off work until clear....all took over three weeks before they tested negative
has something changed in the rules regarding positive tested positive LLM?
If you had a positive swab test that was sent to a lab (PCR test):
you do not need another test... (then self isolate…
However if a front line worker has been fully vaccinated (which is what you were relying to btw) while they are infectious they will not become ill and will return to work quicker.
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I suspect, LLM, that you are just making an argument for the sake of it. But, just in case you are serious about this, maybe you could answer my question earlier -
Which public servants "in a lower tier group" are having an inoculation "ahead of the queue" at present? (That was your claim wasn't it?)
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Met commissioner 'baffled' why police not prioritised for vaccine
London's Metropolitan Police commissioner Cressida Dick says she is "baffled" why frontline officers are not being given higher priority for the Covid vaccine.She tells LBC radio: "In many other countries, police officers and law enforcement colleagues are being prioritised and I want my officers to get the vaccination.
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well my mother in law, who has been in hospital since before christmas, was covid-negative on entry, but has now been covid positive since approx Christmas day, and is still positive as of yesterday, but we were told by her doctor/occupational health who want to move her to a community hospital, that she would not have be contagious after 5/10 days. I should say that she is now asymptomatic.
This sorts of fits in with current policy e.g.
you get a test prove positive
isolate for 10 days
without another test, provided you are well, you can go about your daily life, no need for test to prove you are negative.
But to give you an idea of how important i think it is for all front line personnel to be vaccinated, my BIL who runs his own window cleaning business tested positive 27th Dec, is still positive, but also now has sepsis which we have been told is a possible consequence of covid-19.
They sent him home because they needed his bed, and as they can do nothing for him now except feed him antibiotics and steroids, he is improving but has been told that the scarring on his lungs may never heal.
So for me, no argument, vaccinate all front line staff, including teachers, and i have a vested interest in teachers, 1 daughter currently teaching, in school, key workers children, and she has already had covid-19 along with her partner and child, as has my other daughter who is a front line nurse and her husband and children.
As a family we have escaped relatively unscathed apart from BIL, others may not be so lucky, GET THEM VACCINATED.
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The experts have mention on several occasions that they do not know if the vacines would prevent being infected , but are expecting it would not be so severe as the majority of those at this time without the vaccine, being infected needing hospital ICU or other treatments do at present time,
As even after being vacinated to still carry on as if you have not (i am not including the idiotic Nay sayers in fhis)
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well in the case of teachers, they estimate that for england you would have vaccinate 500k, and this could be done in 2 days, if i had to wait an extra 2 days to get my vaccine, lets do it
P.s. many NHS staff have been vaccinated purely by luck, e.g. at the end of the day if there are vaccines left over as a result of non shows NHS staff have been jumping in, good for them
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I have no vested interest in anyone but myself and family, but regarding the police where would we be without law and order, they are thin on the ground now. For the likes of 'LLM' he can close his door to all and sundry along with his own assessment of risk taking, the police on the other hand go to work each day not knowing how many strangers they will come into contact with and how those contacts will react to them, then they have to go home to their families.
Police are frontline and can 'jump the queue' as 'LLM' puts it as far as I'm concerned. I can wait in relative safety having my choice of my contacts, they cannot.
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The priority list was drawn up to hopefully cater for those in most need as per the first infections last year ,
But not looking at the broader picture of what "the list" missed out when the vital work of those in other professions are needed to keep other vital services operating ,
As has been noted with the second wave it is the under 50s it seems are now being infected the most
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moulesy asked,
Which public servants "in a lower tier group" are having an inoculation "ahead of the queue" at present?
My brother in law ( aged 53) has already had his. He runs a garden centre type environment staffed by employees with learning difficulties -I would suggest that all are below 50 years old.
Apparently someone in the NHS didn't understand the rules and made a mistake and he should not have been vaccinated.
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I have been critical of government handling of many/most aspects of this pandemic. But I do think that the vaccination programme (credit for which must mainly go to the scientists and volunteers who have brought about its success) is the one thing which they appear so far to have got right.
So if the advice is that, after the 9 well publicised priority groups have been pretty much completely vaccinated, priority will be less dependent on age and more on the wider benefits to society or the economy, then I, for one, am quite content to accept that. It won't be unions/Joe public/ "self-interest" parties making the decisions after all.
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If it was my responsibility to set out out the priority list it would be as follows:
NHS workers on the front line - high chance that contacts already have Covid]
Police on the frontline - having frequently to deal with the dregs of society who can be "in your face"
Shop workers - meeting hundreds of different workers every day
Teachers seeing a large number everyday but likely to be the same ones
Fire fighters - towards the back of any list as probably don't have much contact with the public whilst fighting fires
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Firefighters do more than fight fires. My late brother frequently had to cut people out of vehicles, alive or dead and I assume it’s the same now. Didn’t have time to ask them to put a mask on, take their temperature etc.
On a more general point of who should be next it gets very complicated, shop workers and owners (lots of small independent shop workers work in confined spaces) teachers, Police, delivery drivers, transport workers, restaurant/ take-away staff (if we want them to open safely)the list goes on.
Surely the aim of the priority list was to reduce the number dying and protect the NHS.
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We took our motorhome in for it's MOT today. The garage owner pointed out a lone car left outside the workshop. He wasn't able to touch it, an AA or RAC man had brought it in, the owner had broken down somewhere and after the car had been loaded onto the pick up truck the owner explained "I've got Covid but I just fancied a drive out."
An every day tale of working folk.
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Relax even international men of mystery need a vax(nodnodtappingsideofnosewithfingeremoji)🤫🤫
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But if too many fire fighters are ill then what happens when there is a fire?
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