Travelling against FCO advice
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It shouldn’t be about who likes to go abroad, who likes to stay in UK for whatever reasons, but about protecting the population of a country overall, and it’s economy.
Not risking importing more cases onto an island that has suffered badly, might be a positive idea. Particularly if big holiday destination are experiencing rising case numbers while ours still appear to be falling. Denying a few of their much needed and fully understandable time overseas, might just help get our children back into schools, keep those who still have work, going to work, keep small businesses functioning and more of the population able to be out and about. It’s the trade off between restricting the few from being able to do exactly what they want, versus the many being able to do much more than they could.
As I said earlier, I have no issue with anyone going overseas, only with them coming back. I simply don’t trust the majority to do exactly as they should on return (that’s not aimed at Club Members, but the population in general). If it was go overseas and then back into a strict, controlled quarantine, no ifs, no buts, then fine. But it isn’t, and it won’t work.
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We haven't worked but are still keen not to right this year off if we can avoid it.
I wrote it off months ago AD, not that I ever booked that much in advance and even then it was just for the tunnel. I have just cancelled a weekend away in a hotel and yet another cruise has been cancelled. What i have found is that short trips away after being released from lockdown have been very enjoyable. I have made three in the last few weeks and yesterday i booked another one. In spite of what some might say it is not impossible to do
There is no way I would leave these shores this year especially against FCO advice. Next year is not looking that hopeful either.
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There is no way I would leave these shores this year especially against FCO advice.
wise words, but for me it is not just the FCO advice, it is all the ancillary stuff linked to the advice that is not worth taking the risk for, high infection rates, so you have no medical insurance but move into a country with very high infection rates and the list goes on, and dont forget, just because you are sunning yourself on the Riviera and feeling good about yourself, if you were classified as high risk in the UK you will be high risk over there.
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Yes. Thank you for your concern.
Furthermore, I’m avoiding going into my local village and will do so for several weeks yet, because it’s heaving with tourists who are mostly ignoring social distancing. Partly because that can’t and partly because they don't seem to care.
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I have liked your post PD, because I know that it is the only thing you can do at times like this. Deal with the disappointment (it can be horrible, been there) but then try and adapt, find other things, other places, other interests.
I have been pleasantly surprised how well we have done, not going away since March, but it’s worked because we got our heads around things early, enjoyed little things, local things and kept ourselves focused by trying something new. More important building blocks than a holiday away have now slotted into place, and we are now getting ready to finally see the sea. I don’t really care if it’s cool, or it rains, or all those places we want to see are closed, because we will get by, adapt and just enjoy what does come our way. Looking down new avenues is working for us. With a mask on😷😁
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Weather being 1 of the reasons TW, not all the reasons and its easy to say its a weak excuse when you don't live in an area that is 10 mths of the year poor weather.
As to choosing this climate, I didn't have much say in the matter as my parents moved here when I was a child so grew up here and married a Scot.
I can't remember saying that we would "fly in the face of FCO advice" I said we were trying to get the balance between 'high areas' in the UK and the 'high areas' in France with all that it brings.
I have said many times on this forum that if we didn't have insurance because of FCO advice we wouldn't travel.
As to 'begrudges' there are often posts on here about how we should all stay in the UK and not venture abroad, not just now but just about every year as far as I can remember since joining CT. Most of them from folk who have the good fortune to live now south.
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New Zealand pulled up the drawbridge an had no cases for ages then it has appeared again so not travelling does not clear it and proves that travel does not spread it.. does that mean we are just all carrying it anyway or always did bit some more virilant strain came along?
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Weather being 1 of the reasons TW, not all the reasons and its easy to say its a weak excuse when you don't live in an area that is 10 mths of the year poor weather
My sympathies, having lived North of Aberdeen for 12 years and working, so annual holiday was 6 weeks in total , getting to over there was nigh on impossible, it took 4 hours to get to Gretna, so for our main holiday 3 weeks max we used to trek south, Rooksbury park, the destination, so that we could meet up with family and do all those things club members hated, like partying.
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Following the detection of its first cases in 102 days, a 4-person family cluster, New Zealand officials are trying to pinpoint the virus source and are examining the possibility that it was imported by freight, Reuters reported. Surface testing is under way at a cold storage facility in Auckland where a man from the infected family was employed
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I have liked your post PD, because I know that it is the only thing you can do at times like this. Deal with the disappointment (it can be horrible, been there) but then try and adapt, find other things, other places, other interests.
Ta, but that is all you can do TTDA, make the best of a bad job. The short trips have been great. Haven't bothered towing the car, just put the bike on the back of the van and off. We have been blessed with great weather though and have still practised social distancing as much as possible and kept our distance from crowds
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Interesting point, or does it mean CV19 has the capacity to remain dormant for long periods, sparked off again by some chance occurrence? We have much to learn about this virus.
It will be interesting to see what happens in Russia in October when they begin mass vaccination with a largely untested vaccine. Who knows, they might have mixed in a bit of Nobichock, that seems effective at destroying things!
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Surface testing is under way at a cold storage facility in Auckland where a man from the infected family was employed
It was reported in the news today that the Chinese found Coronavirus on packs of Imported Chicken Wings from Brazil and on Frozen shrimp packaging from Ecuador. I think, but not certain, that the virus was actually on the chicken itself. The virus will find a way in if it can.
No idea how it could be prevented, just passing on some disturbing news.
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Of course if we had a "World beating" track and trace system and a test procedure at points of entry we may not have this problem. Coupled with punitive measures for those that do not abide with quarantine rules.
We do seem to have "world beating" Hyperbole though.
I saw that Guernsey imposed fines of £6,000 and £3,000 on 2 incomers who refused to obey the 14 day period of self isolation. The 2 people could take an alternative of 300 days or 150 days in prison. Now that is what I call a deterrent.
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Good to see a bit of common sense returning to the thread!
We were lucky enough to get in a long desired holiday before all this situation blew up, but only just! They were already temperature testing when we arrived in South Africa in February. We had a trip to Greece booked for October (long rescheduled for 2021) and then a walking holiday in Italy in 4 weeks time, now also cancelled. It's unfortunate but totally understandable. So we have been as adaptable as possible, trips to our van in Cornwall, a week in a Yorkshire cottage and another in the lakes planned for October. And all done with the greatest of care and respect for local residents - mainly out walking away from anywhere crowded and the very occasional visit to a local pub where social distancing is clearly evident. As you say, one has to make the best of a bad job, and, of course, for me avoiding too much social interaction comes as second nature!
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Weather is what you are concentrating on, TG, and, yes, it is definitely your choice to live in the beautiful area you do just as it is my choice to live here. The weather is part and parcel of it and we all take what we've chosen.
I didn’t say you used those words "Fly in the face of FCO advice". I used them to describe the action of (anyone) choosing to go. Personally, I couldn’t care less if you go or not as long as you abide by the rules and don’t spread disease on your return.
I have never said that you or anyone should stay in the UK now or at anytime. There have been plenty of posts ridiculing folk who choose not to go overseas but that is not a tactic I would apply in reverse, nor can I recall anyone else ever doing so. You enjoy your trips away and do what you enjoy in normal times so good luck to you. I’m not envious nor do I begrudge you that.
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One of the things we have noticed is that the small local businesses that got their act together early, saw this as a long haul, have benefitted. Adapt, invest, survive. Same with friends and family, adopt a strategy, make it work, get on with it.
Talking with someone yesterday, he was on furlough from some business, he took a temporary job elsewhere, original company he worked for has made him redundant, but his new job is working out well, and whilst not going to be his life choice, is there to tide him through these bad times. One of the lucky ones, but he acted quickly, got on with it. It’s about adapting, compromising.
Although we tend to tour in UK, we are adapting to new places, new sites, new interests, alongside those favourites we can still enjoy. Hell, I am even going to have a swim in the North Sea in September.......got the wetsuit already! 😱🥶😁
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I've just read this on the BBC news website in answer to the question "if you only drive across France do you have to self isolate? "
"You can stop in a remote place in France, for example to stretch your legs or walk your dog, and if you don’t have any contact with other people or enter any public spaces you will not have to quarantine for 14 days when you get back.
But if you get out of your vehicle at a service station or on ferry while crossing from France to the UK, you will be required to self-isolate on your return."
So .... (a) is that clear and (b) anyone want to hire one of the dogs?
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That’s what I was banking on. The conspiracy theorists think it’s a scam & a Govt plot. I’ll continue to mask up & social distance they’ll carry on regardless wherever they want. That’s when the law of averages will connect with Darwin’s law & our species then become incrementally more apt for survival👍🏻
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Agree AD, some of the advice borders on farcical really. It doesn’t help the situation at all.
Your plan of leaving your van somewhere you love might be worth investigating. Might work if you don’t have to stick to set outward and return journey dates, but can be flexible depending upon how things are going with the virus, avoiding any quarantines at either end if possible.
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+1 but especially your last paragraph. I too cannot recall anyone ever saying one should stick to the UK but I do recall calling those that do not tow abroad as timid.
Back on track. The advice is not to travel outside the UK. While traveling within it acceptable.
As posted it is not too great an inconvenience (if at all) and people just have to accept it and find other ways.
Remember some are just traveling for pure holidays while I haven't been able to visit relatives and friends since before February. I do wonder given some being very old if I will be able to see them again.
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Weather is not what I am concentrating on I said it was 1 of the factors. We like to spend time outdoors as much as possible.
I didn’t say you used those words "Fly in the face of FCO advice".
Correct you said "but if the weather is your reason for going, it seems a weak excuse for flying in the face of FCO advice" from that I read it as you were referring to me.
yes, it is definitely your choice to live in the beautiful area you do
Without knowing the facts how can you make that assumption. I'm not about to go into details here as to why we live here.
I love where we live but it does not stop me from wishing our weather here was a bit more sunny. The climate is changing and its very noticeable here that we are getting warmer but with less sunshine and a lot more rain. Today its grey skies and dull but reasonably warm. By the way not everyone can just up sticks and move.
I have never said that you or anyone should stay in the UK now or at anytime.
I didn't say you did. I said there are often posts on here saying we (folk) should stay in the UK
I couldn’t care less if you go or not as long as you abide by the rules and don’t spread disease on your return.
Have I ever said otherwise.
You enjoy your trips away and do what you enjoy in normal times so good luck to you.
Thank you we will.
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That's what I read yesterday brue.
At first they were hinting it could be to do with the refrigerated plant that 1 of the first people to be detected worked.
I do hope its not that, as that could have all sorts of knock on affects around the globe.
It just shows how difficult it is to get rid of.
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Gee, TG, I’m sorry the likely loss of another holiday has upset you so much. Time to chill👍🏻🍸
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