Travelling against FCO advice
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...run their own lives...
And free to infect someone who could become very ill and die. It has happened. It is not worth it. Maybe it will not be some one you love but it will be someone's loved one. It is just not worth it.
Take all the risks you want Ian but don't risk other people's lives.
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Fine words, but how does that differ from folks in places like Leicester, Greater Manchester etc who travel and holiday around the UK, often adding to crowding in places with hitherto low incidence of CV19? Both scenarios increase risk yet we embrace one and reject the other.
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As was pointed out when the 14day isolation was first used ,it is impossible to police,those coming into the UK on public transport of any kind will need to get to their destinations which may involve several other forms of public transport in the process,posibly infecting many others on the way
Another case of travel spreading the virus
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It differs because it is controlled. I can assure you that I would be more than happy if any lockdown of an area was subject to much firmer control in places like Leicester and Manchester. Leicester might not have happened if their had been greater inspection of Factories, no idea of what might be at root of other outbreaks, but living in a place only just off the red list, I have a very good idea. There is nothing stopping folks from such places travelling beyond their common sense, lacking in many cases.
Please don’t think I am unsympathetic about anyone’s holiday plans, far from it. Some eight years ago I had to go from having months away at a time, to no more than three nights away at a time, limited to the odd trip every few months. I felt angry, shackled, depressed, life was unfair, what had I done to deserve this? It took me a while to adapt, see how we could make things work better, what was possible rather than what wasn’t. It was the perfect preparation to where we are now, albeit, the fact that we are almost in a position to do some of the big bucket list trips is now ironically curtailed by something way beyond my control!
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If the only sacrifice you have to make David is not going abroad then you should consider yourself very lucky indeed.
Forty two thousand people and all their loved ones have made a far greater sacrifice and would dearly love to be in your position right now.
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We are discussing future plans for if this virus is going to be either lingering around for a while, or something that re occurs on a regular basis. We are fortunate in that we have plenty of space and a large garden, but a change of scenery, particularly to the coast, is what we miss the most. Daren’t look beyond that to our dreams of Canada, USA, Australia, huge tour of Europe (not MH based) at the moment, but we might be able to secure something that will make us happier, and hopefully Mum’s last years more fulfilling. Won’t be jumping into options though, needs careful research. And a good deal of spending! 😁
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I'm not lecturing you at all, merely pointing out that your scrafice is miniscule compared to tens of thousands of others and their families.
I'm not on a club site and it is far safer up here than over there
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Yes, there’s a whiff of hypocrisy about this thread, some are accused of endangering the lives of the masses while others are jollying around, having a fine old time in various parts of the UK.
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As I've mentioned earlier on this post we have a tunnel crossing booked via the C&MC for September. That is now very likely not to happen (can't see it changing any time soon) we were quite willing to travel to France if it was only the UK who enforced quarantine but if France does reciprocate then we will not be going.
As I understand it you would be able to (1 person) go out for essential shopping. Everything else would be forbidden. As our trip was only 5 weeks it just doesn't seem worth going. As to will the French campsites allow you on, I think there is a very good chance they will.
I haven't seen it anywhere but I would suspect that with Netherlands & Belgium also on the list Germany may well restrict their countrymen from entering these countries. The campsites will be desperate for business.
Should the ban be lifted before the end of September than we would consider possibly going for a month or so, if Spain also came off the list that could be extended.
Touring in the UK will be another option but as mentioned campsites are very busy and getting bookings that link together could prove to be problematic.
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Taken from an earlier post
"We decided months ago we were not going, even if there was no advice against. Personally I just don't understand folk considering it now it is against advice and your health cover is unlikely to be valid. We have always taken out travel insurance, so we could be repatriated in the event of an accident or illness. I know currently the EHIC will cover you for treatment in France but it's just not worth the risk."
Our decision also and as we don’t book anything (ferries included) until a week or two before we go (to ensure we can get away) we don’t have the hassle of changing things, claiming refunds or even losing deposits etc.
Stay safe
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Touring in the UK will be another option but as mentioned campsites are very busy and getting bookings that link together could prove to be problematic.
Absolutely it will. That’s the big problem this year. If I have to stay in the UK so be it, but finding sites in the right place/time is a problem. Especially so on Club sites.
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I have watched the unfortunate happenings in the USA where conspiracy theories abound-‘the authorities are up to something, masks actually kill by not allowing fresh air into lungs, vaccines give you drugs to control you, it’s my right to travel no one can stop me or keep me away from friends’, now I’m reading similar thoughts/words here. I find the anti-science rhetoric frightening☹️
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I'm surprised that travel insurance is such a problem if FCO advisory is ignored. Over here in Germany only a handful of travel insurances exclude coverage if a travel warning issued and a few more in case of an epidemic or pandemic. Most, and that includes the ADAC travel insurance, have no such restrictions. Maybe it would be worthwhile investigating if one can get coverage through a foreign insurer if there is a no other alternative.
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Our decision also and as we don’t book anything (ferries included) until a week or two before we go (to ensure we can get away) we don’t have the hassle of changing things, claiming refunds or even losing deposits etc.
We on the other hand do book early for ferries/flights/holidays. We have good holiday insurance in place.
As it happens so far this year we had our trip to Spain cancelled by BF, no loss of money. We had 2 campsites booked for the journey down to Portsmouth again no loss of funds from either of the campsites. We have been fortunate I know.
We currently have a tunnel booked (which probably won't happen now) but I believe we can re-arrange or get a credit note for future travel. We also have 2 sites booked for the journey down which I can change to a future date.
It hasn't put me off booking early you just have to read the T&C's and have good insurance in place, although we haven't had to use insurance as all the suppliers have been very good in allowing either refunds, credit notes or re-booking at no cost.
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It’s used by insurance providers as a get out of jail free card. They’ll sell you the cover but renege on it if any of the multi-100’s of exclusions are ignored🤷🏻♂️
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Travellers are continuing to make their own independent decisions.
Brittany Ferries is reporting that since the government advice not to go to Spain, and the imposition of quarantine on return, only one in five of their customers with bookings has cancelled or amended.
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Darwin’s law will sort it out👍🏻
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Careful what you wish for, Darwin talked about survival of the fittest in terms of an organisms ability to survive and reproduce. At the moment CV19 seems to be winning that one.
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Irrelevant and ridiculous.
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I was referring to your post and it’s contribution to the discussion. You clearly have no concerns for others about the implications of your travels, so why don’t you let others take responsibility for their own actions and not judge them? You could be asymptomatic wandering around Cornwall shedding virus as we speak. Can you be 100% that’s not the case?
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You've lost me completely there Bill! Where have I "judged" anyone? You were the one who brought the UK up. "No concerns for others about the implications of your travels" - what on earth does that mean?
I'm sorry if you and others are having to abandon plans for travelling where you want to be, but, please, no foot stamping, no fist in cheeks, no toys out of the pram, try to be a bit more open minded and stop criticising others for getting on with their lifes.
Edit - just read your last sentence (presumably that's your idea of being non judgemental) - talk about ridiculous! Are you just sitting at home, wrapped in cotton wool, or are you going out and about possibly spreading the virus unawares?
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Trying to get the balance between going away in the UK, avoiding the many areas that are now advised as 'high' risk. With of course the usual 'will the weather be good'
Against going to France/Spain where the numbers are high in some regions (same as in UK) but the weather is sooooo much better.
The deciding factor has to be that in the UK medical cover will always be available should you require it. While in general that is also the case in France/Spain, if the worst did happen and one of us contracted Covid 19 then wouldn't it be better to be in the UK?
I know for some who have had a nice hot summer with many months of good weather you don't feel that you have missed out to much. Its not the same for others though who have not had that, we have had weeks of awful weather and even on the odd day that its been 'not wet' its not been It what you would call summer weather. I can count on 1 hand the number of nights that I've NOT had to put a heater on in the lounge.
Its been mentioned on other posts/threads that its going to be a long winter, well for some of us it always is. Do not begrudge us out little trips abroad to find nice weather.
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I don’t think anyone begrudges you your trips abroad, TG, but if the weather is your reason for going, it seems a weak excuse for flying in the face of FCO advice.
It’s surely far better to put up with your Scottish climate - one that you chose - and have the security of known medical services around you along with the certainty of being in the right place at the right time and not being stranded somewhere.
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