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I posted a reply, which seems to have gone into cyberspace - there still is an error message when trying to get to page 3 from page 2. I clicked on the last page double arrow and arrived on page 4!
Let's see if this posts.
Edited: the second post didn't appear either, so I came out of this thread, and managed to get to the main discussions page, and there I could see my most recent post. Went via My Profile (couldn't get straight into the thread) and there they both are! CT certainly isn't well.
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This is the latest news from North Ireland regarding opening of caravan & camping sites, the announcement was made today.
With confirmation opening dates.
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Have been having all sorts of problems, could get a message posted on the wild life section using my phone, had lots of problems signing in on Kindle, now keep getting SE messages. The whole thing is getting worse not better.
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I really don't understand all this fretting about facilities when you have them in your van which most do. Even camper vans have some which can be used at a push. I see the C&CC is requesting that on board facilities be used rather than site facilities when they open. It will be far safer to follow this request no matter who owns a site, so, unless you have a special need, why fret about facilities?.
peedee
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Perhaps because some folk won't be happy, or want to go away if they can't use them PD. Some are a lot younger than us😂 and the risks if they get the virus much, much lower. I can certainly understand their concern. They have an asset sat on the drive that they would like to use, but only if the descisions made meet their requirements. Otherwise they will likely look for alternative ways of spending their money.
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It does sort of make you wonder where people have been for the past three months that there is such a clamour to use what is essentially a "public bathroom" with one way in and the same way out. For one thing they are going to be very inconvenient (excuse the pun) to use if numbers are limited and there will be an enhanced cleaning regime. Then of course there is the potential for the spread of the virus in such an environment, or perhaps people feel that such a thing couldn't possibly happen on a Club site!!! I can understand that there will be a small number of people that need to use the disabled facilities which can't be replicated in a caravan/motorhome
As to facilities in outfits. Ever since we purchased our first modern caravan with proper built in facilities back in 1998 (previous vans had a toilet but not a shower) the toilet/shower facilities in any new van have always been a high priority in the decision making so that we could be independent.
David
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Agree with you David and those were my thought as well. I imagine access wil be controlled in some way so there will be no gurantee you can use them when you want or have a need!
The one thing I diagree with in your post is that disabled facilities cannot be replicated in an a caravan/motorhome. They can and to any degree you wish. All my motorhomes and caravans have been so equipped and with the last two motorhomes we have owned my better half has only ever used the van facilities, it being far cosier and easier or both of us.
peedee
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Agree with both David's and peedee's posts. The size and space offered in the toilet compartment is a major factor in the vans we now look at when seeking a replacement for our current model.
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Interesting article on news tonight, research has shown that flushing loo without lid down can propel vapour (and virus😱) feet up into the air! So all those droplets exploding out, hitting loo cubicle walls, up and over cubicles.......🤢Club might need to rethink the loo cleaning schedules.....
Not for me, own facilities every time from now on.
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I think must be missing something here. I am looking for where it says site users will be forced to use site facilities. Forgive me for saying this however i am a little fed up with people who are trying to force their own view, behaviour, reaction and fear of the virus on others. The world has completely lost perspective. Can those who are working ‘normally’, ie not from home honestly say they do not use their workplace loos? There is no ACTUAL evidence of toilets being a cause of spreading the virus. Supermarkets have had customer loos open for the duration. And before anyone says anything about me being selfish i am regarded as someone who should ahield but would rather have life in my days than boring, isolated days in my life. For goodness sake, Get a grip.
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This may seem alarming to some people, but some of us have been working throughout this whole pandemic and using public facilities around the country - and we haven't died or even caught a sniffle. So please don't be condescending to those who use them on a caravan site.
As for not lowing the lid before flushing, it just highlights how poorly some people have been brought up.
Maybe a few bottles of bleach in the facilities for the customers to use might be of benefit? But I reckon we wouldn't be trusted with bleach in case we drink it or steal it or whatever a H&S assessment could imagine.
I will however agree that the state some people leave the facilities is shocking along with alarmingly low levels of personal hygiene. We're back to how they were brought up maybe? Whatever, a pandemic won't change these people's ignorance.
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Flatcoat it is about picking up infections from surfaces and even in normal circumstances I would consider it less risky to use my own facilities than public ones. It is all about the degree of risk one is prepared to accept. It just happens to be greater right now such that extra cleaning and precautions are necessary..
peedee
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research has shown that flushing loo without lid down can propel vapour (and virus) feet up into the air! So all those droplets exploding out, hitting loo cubicle walls, up and over cubicles......
Unfortunately (possibly due to cultural differences) the researchers did not also test urinals. No lids, and so often the thing flushes without warning whilst someone is in mid-stream.
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Also if you have been at work like Flatcoat you will probably be sharing with facilities with a known group of people. Even shop facilities will be used by those in a certain area. The next step is sharing facilities with people from different areas with different infection rates.
Both clubs are asking people to use their own facilities where possible and this will reduce the risks further at present.
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The whole issue is one of potential risk. The odds of infection are small but the consequences can be serious, particularly for certain groups. Whilst not in the same class as Novichok, if anyone watched the dramatisation of the Salisbury poisonings, the issues of containment and neutralisation were well illustrated. My niece lived round the corner from the house that Dawn Sturgess occupied!
As Dirty Harry said, "do ya feel lucky?"
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Thank you.
A common sense approach to a situation that no member should even consider if there is the slightest possibility of becoming infected & extremely ill.
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I have just read the instructions for booking in a site when they reopen. A telephone number will be displayed at the entrance. You call the number and when answered your details and payment card will be taken. You will then be given instructions for setting up on site. So, dont forget your mobile phone, only one tel no., so going to be a long queue outside. I certainly wont be going on opening day, if at all. The C&CC will take the balance from the card you used to pay yr deposit, on the morning of yr arrival date and when you get to site you will be shown to your pitch by a person on a bike. I reckon that is a quicker process. One downside you dont get to choose yr own pitch.
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'lordsward' wrote: As for not lowing the lid before flushing, it just highlights how poorly some people have been brought up.
You obviously don't tour abroad, try lowering the lid or even the seat on some top sites, they don't exist. Perhaps we should practice 'flush & run'.
Apologies for wandering 'overthere'
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From a worker perspective, I would rather be on a bike than endlessly cleaning public loos.........even in the rain! To all Wardens.....I salute you!😁
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This is the bit about the re-opening that concerns me most. I dont like using a mobile phone. Unless the connection & signal are good then I forsee difficulties - and I think there are Club sites with poor mobile signals. I am also unhappy about giving out a credit card number over a mobile phone - maybe my age, but I just think they are less secure than land lines. I didnt notice any information about receipts either.
I appreciate the Club says that other arrangements are possible - although it doesnt say what. I also appreciate this is all about keeping as many people as possible as safe as possible - especially whilst our infection rate is still comapartively high.
We are off to Thetford in July so we will see how these arrangements work in pratice - after all there have always been things the Club says WILL happen & they dont!
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A big +1 there TDA.
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"You cannot have groceries delived to a site as there is no way we can handle them" (or words to that effect) - until the Corona-driven improvements came along.
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in the FAQ's on the front page it says - https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/reopening-our-campsites/
"In order to help with staggering arrivals on the first day of opening, if you have a booking to arrive on 4 July, a member of our site team will be in contact with you by telephone between 23 Jun to 2 July to arrange advance payment and agree an arrival time with you (please do not contact the site directly, they will contact you). We will be agreeing and booking arrival times from 9am and would ask you to please be flexible if your initial choice of arrival time is unavailable"
So maybe you will pay before you leave home.
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