Coronavirus Discussion
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I always thought tourism was one of the main industries for Scotland. Close that down and you ruin a lot of peoples lives so I don't see it as a simple choice between keeping people safe and tourism. Peoples lives will be lost either way. I think the virus is going to be with us for a long time yet and we will have to learn to try to live as safely as possible with it in the meantime.
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From Scottish gov 2020
Spending by tourists in Scotland generates around £12 billion of economic activity for the wider Scottish supply chain and contributes around £6 billion to Scottish GDP, representing about 5% of total Scottish GDP. The tourism industry in Scotland supported more than 217,000 jobs in 2015, accounting for around 8.5% of employment in the country.
It is identified as a growth sector in our economic strategy (2015) where we can build on existing advantages to increase the industry’s productivity and growth.
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I do not understand why facilities are not all closed. Everyone in caravan club should have onboard facilities. Increasing cleaning is pointless as the facility is only safe for the first person after cleaning. This is not a bacteria or a mould which grows on surfaces. This is a virus that dies outside its host and is most contagious immediately it has been shed from the host. If an infected person enters the toilet block then virus is shed for the next person to touch and be at risk, unless of course wet bleach is left on all surfaces, which is unlikely.
What would you think if you booked into a bed and breakfast and were asked to share a bathroom with one other unknown guest (even in normal times). Most people would be horrified but yet they are happy to share a toilet with a hundred strangers in a pandemic!!
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It will be interesting to see how many do actually use the facilities. I believe many will use their own facilities. I know I will for one, but we will still have to be alert. There are many ways on site that the virus can be spread other than toilet blocks.
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Personally I think it would have been better if they had. However, I think that would have also needed a reduction in occupancy to avoid overload at the water / waste and particularly CDP points. By opening the facilities it splits usage and they can achieve a higher occupancy, with the plus of not having to reduce prices.
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Public toilets in the cities, stores, buses, taxi’s to name but a few, should all these be isolated until the virus is beaten(vaccine available) life would grind to a halt. Places like Sth Korea have proved it can be controlled. It takes a willing population & strict guidelines to be followed. It seems odd to pick on one tiny area of this Country to be treated differently🤷🏻♂️
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You are not wrong in that they have been told that ''People should avoid all but essential travel to, from, and within Leicester and should "stay at home as much as you can"
That presents no compulsion and is simply advice. It is not even strong guidance in its wording.
There is nothing that the police can action should somebody from the infected area decide to drive to a country pub for a pint or because non essential shops are closed to travel to the next town to shop. That is why I say that for police it is simply a step back to before non-essential business opened. The police have not been given any extra authority to implement a movement restriction
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very good point re Sth Korea, and "a willing population", having worked in Sth Korea I have seen first hand just how the Police Force/Army work hand in hand to ensure they have a "willing population" something that would not be tolerated over here, but also in Korea they have been isolating small pockets of the community, but they have a far superior track and trace system developed during the Sars outbreak in 2002 so do it much more effectively
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I must admit that I didn't keep up with the conversation yesterday regarding the reasons for Leicester having so many infections but did anyone mention the "sweatshops" which still apparently exist in the city as being one of the possible causes for the rise in infections.
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If you are going down to Cornwall for your holidays, you had better take your own supplies. Speaking to a frends who live down there the supermarket shelves are pretty bare. If there is a big infulx of visitors there will be even less to go around.
peedee
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+1👍🏻. It was mentioned that Leicester has a lot of multi-generational families living in the same house, which makes it impossible to control any virus/bugs that are brought into the home.
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Willing population/authority encouraged population is better than a population with way more deaths than need be as we have In the U.K. 🤷🏻♂️. Freedom is a wonderful thing but it encourages the selfish to be even more selfish. I’d accept a bigger authority presence rather than my family lose their lives due to others.
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100 pct behind you there, have always said, I have nothing to hide nothing to fear from cctv camera's, anpr, google telling me every month just where i have visted etc, not a saint, so yes i do park illegally sometimes, yes i do speed sometimes, ride my bike on the pavement, but bring it on yes
I’d accept a bigger authority presence rather than my family lose their lives due to others.
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We have an accord😊
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The site where we have a static van also takes in many tourers. They will open but have closed the toilets/showers/ washing up and clothes washing facilities. They have issued notices, in large print, that all tourers must use their own on board facilities. I can't believe the Club are leaving theirs open. I had to use a toilet in a Garden Centre yesterday, so well arranged inside now, every other toilet and wash basin taped and no one else in there but I was still extremely wary and only used it because I had to. Would not consider possibly busy site facilities at present, especially with kids in and out. Those poor wardens.
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Discovered something interesting today which I didn't realise. Here in MK we have a very good local radio website that keeps us up to date on what is happening around Milton Keynes. They explained today how the public are not being told the true levels of local infection. There was a case in MK where a Nursery School had 23 cases which didn't seem to appear in the local cases. Apparently the figures published by the BBC from the Department of Health only include "Pillar 1" information which basically comes from tests done within the NHS. What is not included, as they are not published, are "Pillar 2" results which come from the likes of mobile testing centres and home kits. This is a quote from that website
"As an example, the number of positive coronavirus cases recorded for Leicester in the official local government data from June 13th to 26th is 80 - but Health Secretary Matt Hancock said there was in fact 944 cases recorded in the same period when the non-Hospital tests were included."
Whether this is just an administrative mistake or done on purpose we don't know at this stage. Perhaps the Government are reluctant to publish the figures as it might suggest that we are opening up too soon and the changes from this weekend will only make matters worse?
David
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Oh, just how much of Cornwall do you think of as "your space" TSN?
Thank goodness we don't experience any of the prejudice in your posts from any of the lovely people we meet on our frequent visits to Cornwall! I'm guessing you're lucky enough to be financially comfortable and not rely on the income all the tourists bring into the county. But many thousands of your fellow countymen and women do, and particularly from those 2nd home and static van owners who you appear to despise but who bring in much needed revenue throughout the year.
Cornwall is often mentioned as being amongst the poorest areas in Europe - without the money all those visitors bring in who do you think is going to pay for all those seaside bills?
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This has been known for a while David, as one who didn't manage to get a home test it should also be noted that there are no figures at all for home tests....do they exist I wonder?!
I listened to More or Less on radio 4 this morning which has followed the epidemic since the beginning and has tried to unravel the facts from the fiction. It's available on Sounds and they'll be doing smaller updates in future.
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Mousley-Doesnt seem that club members will contribute to the local economy. Site fees straight to HO. Club now promoting Grocery deliveries to sites, monies straight to National supermarkets. Add on the congestion on the roads, likely need to use local NHS services, lack of home deliveries to locals and nothing in return.
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No, I wasn't thinking specifically about club sites, F. When we go to our static in Cornwall, about once a month in normal years, we do use local shops, restaurants etc. Maybe others of the regular visItors TSN was ranting against don't, though I suspect they're more likely to than the majority of fortnight holiday makers.
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and all the local shops that I use? the pub and restaurants? the car parking? The ice creams? the chips? cream teas, local coffee shops, petrol? money for or on tourist attractions, buses...
Even with using supermarkets or national chains they have local people having jobs there.
Of course club users (and other tourists) contribute to the local economy.
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