Coronavirus: Stay or go
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And certainly no argument from me over such a sensitive subject but it’s all in the reading.
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It is essential the government needs to rethink this restrictive policy and allow appropriate flexibility where it is necessary and justified.’
All they ask is flexibility. These children are what you call special needs. As such their needs are not the same as the rest of us. You need to work with them to know.
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Actually, I'm well aware of autistic and children with other special needs having spent the best part of 40 years teaching in secondary education. My wife, until the current lock down, spent weekly sessions with autistic children with Lady, our Pets As Therapy dog in a local primary school. So please don't start preaching to me!
I agree that there are many people, children, young adults and the elderly who need special care dusing this present crisis and it is unfortunate that you are trying to make an issue of this. It is also unfortunate that some seem to have a rather flexible view as to which sectors of the community need extra thought and which causes are valid.
I'll not reply further to you about this as I have absolutely no wish to turn this into another slanging match of the sort seen so often just recently.
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Our youngest grandson (now 14) was diagnosed as autistic some years ago,
But as with all regulations,the restrictions, put in place last week ,(because of those who the "advise" given before was not applicable to them) were nation wide,, and am sure ,it is still being "looked at" to make it more applicable to wider portions of the UK population, and am sure we will get more information next week for the following months it will need to apply to
But getting lawyers involved this early ,to bolster their incomes? is a bit OTT
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Good post M
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Maybe the intention was to raise awareness, in the same way that awareness of some police force actions was raised, so that consideration could be given to the needs of persons with 'protected characteristics'.
I don't believe that anyone who cares for such persons would wish to put them in harms way, and you could take the view that they are not being discriminated against as the restrictions apply to all of us, however having cared for someone with autism I am aware that there could be a need to either leave home more than once or to go to a non local area.
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There seems to be some confusion in the online newspaper articles re 'exercising once a day'. Section 6b of the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 refers to:
'to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;'
There is no mention of frequency or length of time, again this is a product of various Ministers expressing personal wishes rather than sticking to the legal provisions.
Elsewhere, the Regs refer to Police Officers having the ability to Enforce [i.e. issue a Fine] if they fail with the 'Engage, Explain, Encourage' Guidance for the Police themselves.
The Police are required to act if the Person cannot demonstrate a valid reason for not being at home. In the case of the autistic children, being out in the street or park etc is because of the need to 'support or care for ...' provisions and, especially since the Guidance to Police emphasises the need for Common Sense, there should not be a problem.
Rather than the expense, delay, heath risk of convening a Judicial Review, why not allow the Health Secretary to make a specific reference to autism within the 'permitted categories' that refer to frail and vulnerable people? Then, arrange for the GP to issue an 'Exemption Certificate' that can be produced to any Police Officer who feels that [s]he has just cause to make enquiries?
The Parents have to care [and to provide care]; the Police have to police. An Exemption Certificate facilitates both requirements whilst still upholding the wider Public Health challenges of maintaining Social Distancing Regs and reducing the rish of Coronavirus spread.
Steve
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In summer when our cows are out, the younger ones often run about in the early evening, for no reason. We call it “daft time of night”
I think this is what happens on here about this time. Maybe people need to calm down, have a glass of something and eat their supper.
Or perhaps you like winding people up. Sad.
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There is no mention of frequency or length of time, again this is a product of various Ministers expressing personal wishes rather than sticking to the legal provisions.
FOr some reason I thought that the instance referred to relate to Wales but much has been removed .
In Wales however the regulations as passed state exercise is limited to once a day.
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As the population of England is many times that of Wales and the other parts of the UK, then it seems the English version of the regulations is far more in line with helping the population get through this very dangerous time ,we and most of the rest of the world are going through.
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Molly,
The disparity comes from the fact that the Health policy [under which *I think*/believe] is a devolved matter. I started my previous post by looking up the Regs and then saw that I had the Scottish version open.
I never looked at the Welsh Regs so missed Easy T's {thanks very much!] clarification that Wales has issued 'exercise once per day' Regs.
As if life wasn't complicated enough!
Steve
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Here's some good news from the SW all the agricultural jobs to pick veg and fruit have been filled. People have volunteered in huge numbers! Those who can't do their usual work just now have stepped forward.
Hope other areas have had a similar response.
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And the bad news is that tourists are arriving😤
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Brue,
Do you know whether the volunteers are people who were employed in the locality pre-lockdown? How are the checks to ensure that none of the volunteers infected being made, because it would seem perfectly possible that there could be a rapid spread of infection and the consequent [and much debated] pressure on local services, even if the Social Distancing Regs are observed.
I'm not being contentious, I'm curious about the management of the exercise.
Steve
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When looking on line in this area ,at jobs on farms ,they all stated that the 2mtr spacing was not a problem ,and that all reasonable precautions would be in place even accomadation for helpers,with isolation areas if it became needed
ps even though they thanked me for the interest, i am too old
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JVB,
I think you got the 'Spanish Showbiz Agency' response to your enquiry. 'Don Carlos, Will Carl-Yew' [From the John Dunn Radio 2 Early Morning Show circa 1968, 'cos I used to listen before traveling to the shop to start my Paper Round!
Steve
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The curious thing is - did Hancock actually say that - or was the report "fake news"? I've got no reason to believe it was but I've done a lot of searches and can't find any reference to it. And despite every sign to the contrary I can't actually believe our Health Secretary is quite so inept as to have said it
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Evening All
So, After isolating for seven days in Folkstone and showing no symptoms we were advised by head office we could travel to Cornwall. We will now isolate for another seven days as a voluntary precaution. At least we can set up our caravan and have a bit more living space.
On the way to Cornwall we had to divert as there was a crash on the m20 which meant travelling through some villages. Couldn't believe the amount of people out and about, but more importantly lots too close together. This continued as we drove down a303, The single carriage parts of that route go through a few villages and once again people out socialising. We stopped for fuel, no pay at pump possible so went in (gloved and masked) and there were people standing together chatting and drinking coffee together. Unbelievable. We also noticed several lay byes with food vendors and people stood together. I can't comprehend some folks mentality!
We were stopped twice on the a38 by the police as we were in a motorhome, Obviously we had the necessary paperwork explaining our journey so were ok, but chatting with the officers they said they'd stopped more than a dozen motorhomers that day just out for a drive, some miles away from home. I think some irresponsible lv owners attitudes will have a lasting effect on our hobby.
Last week we applied for a couple of temporary jobs in Cornwall doing fruit picking. But, as we are now furloughed we can't work anywhere
Beers
JK
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Local news tonight points out there will be extra police on duty over the weekend to ensure unnecessary journeys are not being made. Didn't the national news indicate the Welsh police would be stopping tourists? Didn't seeanything about other areas.
peedee
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Let's hope they get sent home 
